Why do you get all the knobs at Glastonbury?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c33514nryy1o

Kneecap and now this.....There are some absolute fits playing at Glastonbury and I am sure there are some virtue signalling loons cheering this.

Hope turnpike throw the book at them.

I'm no expert myself. But countries meddling in the affairs of others through conflict and/or backing conflict (also called "change") rarely has a good outcome.
Just like colonialism.

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I agree.

The Israeli government is just as abhorrent as Hamas but a lot of people on here are blindly supporting them which is frustrating.

But its OK to wipe out Gaza? It's OK to bring in settlers from all over the world and try to push out Palestinians from their ancestral homes...

I'm glad Louis Theroux did the documentary...

There aren't any chants of 'Go Qatar, let's have a swift negotiated ceasefire followed by extended talks on a 2 state solution' are there. Yet in the real world this is the only means as I see it for a pause in hostilities and hence death.

The Glastonbury flag waving types and the hate marches in London aren't about negotiated ceasefires, hostage releases and long term peace agreemwnts are they? The only reason there aren't mass change of 'death to the IDF' during these things is that the participants fear arrest (quite rightly).

Even if you get a long term ceasefire the calls for 'stop the genocide' will quickly pivot to 'globalise the inatfada', and 'free Palestine' as a euphemism for getting rid of Israel as a state. You will have entrenched Israel hate and New hate into a new generation of at least made it somehow acceptable resulting in a generation of fearful Jews and the constant fear of Palestinian resistance, such as October 7th, which chillingly seems to have the collective memories of festival goers.

We don't need to watch videos on YouTube (I don't).

We have seen pro Palestine people on these threads basically say that October 7th is justifiable because of historical conflict between Israel and Palestine.

Several posters have intimated this and the way it reads is that they are making excuses for the Hamas massacre on October 7th.

Err why should they "take them" ? thats ethnic cleansing! You've shown yourself with that one!

Can you post the restaurants in Gaza you follow that are doing a roaring trade??

About one third of Gaza's inhabitants trace their family's roots to land inside the Gaza Strip. The remaining two-thirds are refugees from the 1948 war and their descendants, many of whom hail from towns and villages surrounding Gaza. The Palestinians of Gaza trend young: nearly half the population is under 18

I've not read that across this thread at all.

What some people are saying is that a horrific attack doesn't justify the indiscriminate bombing of an entire population... other posters say that it does, i ve asked before at what point would the numbers of deaths in Gaza become too many... some pro Israeli posters have replied with "there is no limit"

It is possible to be horrified at what the state of Israel is doing, whilst also being anti Hamas and horrified at their actions too.

You know what, that final sentence, about being horrified about what both sides are doing... I so often see that on here but I'm curious about it. Yes both sides have shown theyre capable of horrific actions. However now that they are at war, opposing sides in a war, I do think most people pick a side really. And for those who pick the Palestinian side, why? You say we don't agree with either, but then you pick the Palestinian side to fall on. Why is that?

I have never said that, nor have I seen it.

I have seen posters mention Israel’s action in Gaza has been justified because of oct 7th. If you’re going to justify deaths it can’t just go one way.

You can’t say years of oppression, land grabs, limiting access to healthcare and obviously deaths on both sides doesn’t contribute to something like Oct 7th occurring but then say the deaths on Oct 7th do justify months of indiscriminate bombing and several times the initial death rate.

For whoever asked about restaurants operating in Gaza try the following accounts. There are many more

https://www.instagram.com/titanic.gaza?igsh=MTMzNnMxc2lhaTNlcQ==
https://www.facebook.com/share/1LZZKJVLT1/

And equally, you have to ask yourself why Israel has been oppressing Palestinians for so long? If you think critically, could it perhaps be because they started the first war back in 1948? Could it be because of the Intifadas? Could it be because of the fact that their immediate neighbour's believe they have no right to exist on the land at all? Can you accept that some oppression has been necessary to keep Israeli citizens safe? Or is it because the Israeli nation is the meanest, baddest of them all?

If you want us to accept that October 7th was partly as a result of Israeli oppression, then you need to equally consider why the Palestinians have been oppressed.

I didn’t say this thread.

I said these threads.

This one hasn’t focused on the October 7th massacre that triggered the current conflict. But any thread that does gets someone popping up to say “yes but there’s a reason why Hamas did it… history…”

So I don’t need to watch cesspit YouTube videos as the person I was responding to suggested, to know that some people make excuses for Hamas actions on October 7th. They even attempt to minimise the horrific event that triggered the war by mocking anyone who mentions it as belonging to the “but Hamas” crowd.

Half of the Gazan population is under 18, the response from Israel has been excessive with pictures coming out of Gaza and number of deaths, we have seen Israel bomb Gazan infrastructure - blow up their universities, schools, hospitals, water storage facilities, prevent essential amenities go into Gaza, seen burnt crop fields from before and after pictures, heard what members of their Knesset have said about what should happen to Gazans, seen pictures of children blown up or under rubble, seen that Israel can be targeted in their assassinations but choose to use 2kg bombs in built up areas, seen this as a wider plan Netanyahu has had, not heard world leaders condemn what’s happened, seen the U.S. in particular facilitate it, seen UN and other aid agencies condemn their chosen method of aid delivery, seen them shoot people getting the aid.

As I write this- I just know your answer is going to to be it’s all due to Hamas or is Hamas propaganda. No one accepts that except those who WANT to continue to support Israel despite everything. It’s a coping strategy to cope with the cognitive dissonance of seeing what the state of Israel has done.

Why are you ignoring the 1947 Nakba?

The last review was in 2022, funny that....

Pretending Gaza is all hunkydory is crackers.

Errr thailandia post most days. No sign of a famine in that restaurant either

I have not picked a side, where have i said that?

But i also believe that whilst Israel was correct to attack Gaza after October 7th, they have gone way too far.

Even their long term Western allies have said this.

What have the 56k deaths their achieved? the hatred now re enforced n the Palestinian people, will ensure Israel has no security for decades to come, Hamas may or may not be destroyed but what replaces them will be even more bloody.

& what about the remaining hostages? almost all only released when there were negotiations and a ceasefire.... we all seem to have forgotten about these poor people.

How can they stop? Hamas have said they will do October 7th all over again. And they still have 50 hostages locked up in cages. I don't like what's happening. But what choice do Israel have for long term stability?

Did the Nakba happen before or after the declaration of war by the Arab League?

Actions have consequences.

In general though I try to steer clear of discussing Nakba, because I think its genuinely one of those historical events that has different valid narratives around it. Personally I believe some Palestinians were violently driven from their homes. Some Jews were too. Some people chose to leave voluntarily believing they would soon return once all the Jews were gone. Both sides have a lot of propaganda around these events and I dont think the 2 groups will ever agree on what happened.

But basically I think the Nakba was a consequence of that declaration of war. Which ended up a fucking disaster for the Arabs in the area.

Let me just clarify, you think a restaurant’s Instagram with a last post of January 2024 proves your completely idiotic assertion that much of Gaza has not been destroyed and actually many Gaza citizens are pottering about living a lovely life, eating in restaurants?

I think it’s safe to say we can write off literally any comment from this poster. Potatoes have more critical understanding.

Why should any country take refugees from a war zone?

Why did the UK & other countries take refugees from Ukraine?

It’s a known thing for other countries to do during wars.

Thailandy restaurant posted a video 22 hours ago. Is that not recent enough for you?

There was a post from June 20 on facebook.

The earlier posts are pinned.