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Conflict in the Middle East

Why is Iran bombing airports, care facilities and univerosties?

63 replies

mids2019 · 22/06/2025 07:50

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-june-22-2025/

Surely Iranian strike targets in Israel are simply acts of state terrorism now and the international community should highlight this. It seems like Iran is lashing out in the hope of instilling fear into the Israeli population to try and break the Israeli people. It won't work.

OP posts:
PurpleChrayn · 22/06/2025 11:59

If you can’t see a difference between Israel’s actions in Gaza and Iran’s actions in Israel, you are staggeringly dense.

Swirlythingy2025 · 22/06/2025 12:05

IToldYouSoSee · 22/06/2025 11:26

People were just in their houses and hospitals. Using ‘Hamas put them there’ is a pathetic excuse to justify genocide. Israel has no high ground, having stooped so much lower than the terrorists. Palestinians should surrender? Or get completely wiped off the face of the earth? Give up their home?

Israel have caused this, all of this. And sorry to say the west have allowed it.

People often rail against Western intervention, citing imperialism and double standards. what exactly is the alternative? Should the West step back entirely, allow every regional power to escalate unchecked, and then shake hands with whoever’s left standing after the dust settles?

Swirlythingy2025 · 22/06/2025 12:19

distilled summary of the main differences:

Sovereignty & Governance:

  • Israel: A recognized, democratically elected sovereign state with formal accountability and legal oversight.
  • Iran (and its proxies): Acts through affiliated groups with less transparency and formal governance structures.
Objectives & Justifications:
  • Israel: Claims its actions are defensive measures aimed at protecting its citizens from terrorism.
  • Iran (and its proxies): Often seen as pursuing broader ideological goals or regional influence that go beyond simple defense.
Tactics & Rules of Engagement:
  • Israel: States that it targets military infrastructure, even though the reality is fiercely debated regarding civilian impact.
  • Iran (and its proxies): Their operations are frequently portrayed as more indiscriminate, with actions that lead to higher civilian risks.
International Legitimacy:
  • Israel: Operates within a framework of international law and diplomacy, subject to global scrutiny as a recognized state.
  • Iran (and its proxies): Their methods are more frequently classified as acts of terrorism due to a lack of formal diplomatic accountability.
HellsBalls · 22/06/2025 12:23

Martymcfly24 · 22/06/2025 11:41

What's Israels reason then for trying to kill as many Palestinians as possible. Are they genocidal madmen too?

Spoiler the answer isn't always "but Hamas"

We’ve all just witnessed just how much destruction Israel can inflict when it wants to.
If it had wanted to kill as many Palestinians as possible, it would have used those tactics in Gaza.
It hasn’t.
There is no genocide.

ssd · 22/06/2025 12:29

Its a wide known fact it is a genocide. Acknowledged by other leaders and countries.
Only someone that calls Netanyahu a hero would say otherwise.

Switcher · 22/06/2025 12:30

These threads always go the same way OP. No point.

Swirlythingy2025 · 22/06/2025 12:31

Switcher · 22/06/2025 12:30

These threads always go the same way OP. No point.

thats the fault of other people not being able to debate properly .

GretaGreen · 22/06/2025 12:44

Israel should ask Iran to investigate themselves.

TerribleTimingReally · 22/06/2025 12:50

The OP knew what she was doing starting this. I have seen her start these kinds of threads before.

Of course it’s hypocritical with huge dose of irony.

Anyway, maybe Israel’s forces are hiding in the hospitals, Iran has a right to defend itself, Israel started this by attacking Iran etc etc. it’s basically the previous arguments against Hamas in reverse.

Power-hungry men killing innocents, and deluded supporters of both sides sanctioning atrocity upon atrocity.

ButterBites · 22/06/2025 13:44

Icanthinkformyselfthanks · 22/06/2025 09:27

To all of you who respond ‘but Gaza’, Isreal is a sovereign state Gaza terribly sadly for its people is run by a terrorist organisation who hide behind the civilian population. Iran and its proxies publicly vow to wipe Isreal and her people from the face of the earth, Isreal has no such aim. Isreal is the only democracy in the Middle East and is tiny in comparison to all the aggressors who surround her. Isreal targets military targets. Hamas deliberately put their civilian population in the way and are responsible for the harm that comes to them. Iran has targeted hospitals for no other reason than to inflict suffering on the civilian population and has completely destroyed Isreal’s cancer research centre. These are acts of terrorism. If you support acts of terrorism you should be imprisoned.

Hamas deliberately put their civilian population in the way and are responsible for the harm that comes to them

Where are the Palestinians supposed to go?

Dangermoo · 22/06/2025 14:10

Clocloxx · 22/06/2025 11:33

Well Israel has been bombing gaza, Lebanon, Syria and Iran for months now all targeting Civilian instructures obviously gaza been the worst I think it's something like 70% of gaza is flattened 94% of hospitals bombed I can't bear to think about how many bodies are still under the rubble in gaza. But Israel has been bombing Iran for quite some time now, what Iran is doing is complete self defense against Israel. Israel has shown the world they are the terrorists and there will never be peace in the middle east as long as zoinest control Israel

Zionists control their own state? Who would you have control it?

Clocloxx · 22/06/2025 14:32

Dangermoo · 22/06/2025 14:10

Zionists control their own state? Who would you have control it?

Certainly not a zoinest movement, zionism is different to Judaism, Jewish and Muslim people lived happily side by side untill the zoinest movement came in roughly around 1948 when the Israeli state was created.

Dangermoo · 22/06/2025 14:39

Clocloxx · 22/06/2025 14:32

Certainly not a zoinest movement, zionism is different to Judaism, Jewish and Muslim people lived happily side by side untill the zoinest movement came in roughly around 1948 when the Israeli state was created.

You must be taking the piss.

Madcatdudette · 22/06/2025 15:11

mids2019 · 22/06/2025 08:22

Why do people keep bringing Gaza into a discussion about a conflict between two sovereign states? Can any attack by the Iranians be justified by but.....but.....Gaza.

You can decouple the two conflicts and actually have concern like Keir Starmer has about the proximity of Iran developing a nuclear weapon.
And any way October 7th was the start of this sorry mess.

Quite. You’ll be completely admonished for daring to mention anywhere but Gaza on the Middle East threads yet the same people will always bring Gaza into it.

GretaGreen · 22/06/2025 15:30

mids2019 · 22/06/2025 08:22

Why do people keep bringing Gaza into a discussion about a conflict between two sovereign states? Can any attack by the Iranians be justified by but.....but.....Gaza.

You can decouple the two conflicts and actually have concern like Keir Starmer has about the proximity of Iran developing a nuclear weapon.
And any way October 7th was the start of this sorry mess.

Can you really not see a connection?

World leaders say bombing hospitals isn't a war crime, they say that targeting schools, aid facilities, civillian infrastructure isn't a war crime. For almost 2 years they have been banging this drum. They see nothing wrong with a country investigating themselves and finding themselves innocent of all charges. We've all sat and watched Israel saying that an empty calander is evidence of Hamas, we've watched them make up weird cgi videos of non existent Hamas control centres and we've watched governments around the world saying that there is nothing wrong with that evidence.

If it isn't breaking international law to bomb a hospital in Gaza because you made up a cgi video of what you imagine a Hamas control centre inside would look like then Iran are just fine to blow up a hospital in Israel. Iran have shown as much evidence that the civilian infrastructure in Israel is actually a military target as Israel have in Gaza.

Either International law means something or it doesn't. It doesn't mean anything anymore, Israel and every government who turned their backs on atrocities have made sure of that. Lots of you have been positively revelling in that and actively mocking the people who have been protesting to keep those laws meaningful, this is the result you wanted, why are you still complaining?

mouthpipette · 22/06/2025 20:11

Dangermoo · 22/06/2025 14:39

You must be taking the piss.

I don't think she is. She's broadly correct in saying that Jews and Muslims had cohabited relatively peacefully (for centuries) in the middle east, though it had started to kick off 25 years before the 1948 that she stated

After WW1 it became clear that pretty soon the influx of Yiddish speaking Ashkenazi Jews that had happened over the previous 4 decades was going to become a problem. Until then they had almost been tolerated. They were not welcome by the Palestinian Muslims and even the indigenous Palestinian Jews were not keen on their arrival. Antipathy between Jew and Muslim in Palestine really dates back to after the fall of the Ottomans in 1918 not 1948.

I'm just so grateful that my grandparents decided to leave Makova and come to the UK rather than Palestine.

HairyHenrietta · 22/06/2025 20:26

Maybe they made a little mistake as these happens during war or maybe they had intelligence that senior Israeli military officials were hiding out in hospitals using the patients as human shields😏

Dangermoo · 22/06/2025 20:30

HairyHenrietta · 22/06/2025 20:26

Maybe they made a little mistake as these happens during war or maybe they had intelligence that senior Israeli military officials were hiding out in hospitals using the patients as human shields😏

You maybe right ✅️

MissyB1 · 22/06/2025 20:38

Stop embarrassing yourself OP.

OurStepsWillAlwaysRhyme · 22/06/2025 20:41

Swirlythingy2025 · 22/06/2025 12:19

distilled summary of the main differences:

Sovereignty & Governance:

  • Israel: A recognized, democratically elected sovereign state with formal accountability and legal oversight.
  • Iran (and its proxies): Acts through affiliated groups with less transparency and formal governance structures.
Objectives & Justifications:
  • Israel: Claims its actions are defensive measures aimed at protecting its citizens from terrorism.
  • Iran (and its proxies): Often seen as pursuing broader ideological goals or regional influence that go beyond simple defense.
Tactics & Rules of Engagement:
  • Israel: States that it targets military infrastructure, even though the reality is fiercely debated regarding civilian impact.
  • Iran (and its proxies): Their operations are frequently portrayed as more indiscriminate, with actions that lead to higher civilian risks.
International Legitimacy:
  • Israel: Operates within a framework of international law and diplomacy, subject to global scrutiny as a recognized state.
  • Iran (and its proxies): Their methods are more frequently classified as acts of terrorism due to a lack of formal diplomatic accountability.
Edited

What principle of international law was Israel operating within when it bombed Iran, pray tell?

Madcatdudette · 22/06/2025 20:43

mouthpipette · 22/06/2025 20:11

I don't think she is. She's broadly correct in saying that Jews and Muslims had cohabited relatively peacefully (for centuries) in the middle east, though it had started to kick off 25 years before the 1948 that she stated

After WW1 it became clear that pretty soon the influx of Yiddish speaking Ashkenazi Jews that had happened over the previous 4 decades was going to become a problem. Until then they had almost been tolerated. They were not welcome by the Palestinian Muslims and even the indigenous Palestinian Jews were not keen on their arrival. Antipathy between Jew and Muslim in Palestine really dates back to after the fall of the Ottomans in 1918 not 1948.

I'm just so grateful that my grandparents decided to leave Makova and come to the UK rather than Palestine.

so basically because some not indigenous people came over and the locals took offence it’s been kicking off ever since?

ladykale · 22/06/2025 20:48

The country that we should be concerned about having nuclear weapons is America!

the only nation on earth to have ever used atomic bombs

the only nation on earth to have been at war most years since its inception

the nation where the president can drop bombs without cabinet’s approval

yet western nations love to dictate who can and can’t have nuclear weapons.

ridiculous

IToldYouSoSee · 22/06/2025 20:50

ladykale · 22/06/2025 20:48

The country that we should be concerned about having nuclear weapons is America!

the only nation on earth to have ever used atomic bombs

the only nation on earth to have been at war most years since its inception

the nation where the president can drop bombs without cabinet’s approval

yet western nations love to dictate who can and can’t have nuclear weapons.

ridiculous

This a thousand times

Swirlythingy2025 · 22/06/2025 21:01

ladykale · 22/06/2025 20:48

The country that we should be concerned about having nuclear weapons is America!

the only nation on earth to have ever used atomic bombs

the only nation on earth to have been at war most years since its inception

the nation where the president can drop bombs without cabinet’s approval

yet western nations love to dictate who can and can’t have nuclear weapons.

ridiculous

well if we give a fully functioning nuke to each of the countries in the middle east, i wonder who will use them first then people can go we told you so that x country was bad

mouthpipette · 22/06/2025 21:06

so basically because some not indigenous people came over and the locals took offence it’s been kicking off ever since? @Madcatdudette

That's not a bad start for a very simplified summary.

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