Yikes, Israel might have just attacked Iran!

[SomeWomanSomewhere]

This is NOT GOOD news!

Israel has declared a state of emergency, at least six explosions in Tehran.

This is seriously unfunny!

Israel has ZERO strategic depth - Iran has plenty. Nukes: see above, reverse!

Well suggestions are certainly being made. That’s why Netanyahu is calling on Iranians to overthrow the government.

Of course, why would yoi not encourage the overthrow of such a vile regime? Its obviously not the primary purpose of the action though and noone is claiming it was.

The number of strawmen around here is a fire hazard.

He did - explicitly.

https://www.politico.eu/article/benjamin-netanyahu-iran-regime-change-video-israel-hezbollah-war/

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Monday told Iranians that regime change was looming.

“When Iran is finally free, and that moment will come a lot sooner than people think — everything will be different,” Netanyahu said in a video statement addressed to Iranians, in which he lambasted the "fanatic theocrats" who rule the country.

“Our two ancient peoples, the Jewish people and the Persian people, will finally be at peace. Our two countries, Israel and Iran, will be at peace,” he added.

Yep. Turkeys voting for Christmas. Shows they have little idea of how Iran treats women, gay people, general citizens. You'd have to be a bit thick to aspire to wanting that. But hey they're not Jewish
Shows people for what they are.

Yes, he wants regime change. Of course he's going to frame it in terms of the benefit to the Iranian people. Its not why he's attacking Iranian nuclear capability.

Whatever it is it's not the Taliban who we left to their own devices. My point is better the devil you know and don't wish or foment violent revolutions from afar. Or if you do don't express faux concern for the victims.

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Netanyahu has been making alot of comments about paving the way for Iranian's to topple the government and explicitly asking for their help to do so. He is asking the people to overthrow them at this time.

Of course.

Because it is framing the current action as part of a larger plan. It’s not the primary goal right now but we see that Netanyahu has now framed it as being part of a larger strategy.

So you asked Who said it was about regime change? and I’m saying Netanyahu. I’m purely being factual.

Wishing things from afar...such irony.

No chance are the citizens of Iran going to be able overturn that Authoritarian set up. That's wishful thinking.

Most likely scenario I think is Israel and Iran keep exchanging missiles for a week perhaps and then a paperthin ceasefire is brokered by the US & China so to resume talks over Iran's nuclear programme.

I hope you are right!

This is concerning. So far, I don't think the UK have gotten involved

Iran has warned the UK, US and France not to help Israel stop its strikes on the country.
Tehran said they will target ships and bases belonging to the three countries in the region if they do not step back.
That's according to comments reported by Iranian state media.

Just seen on Guardian live that Iran is threatening Uk Us and other foreign military bases in the area if attempts are made to stop attacks on Israel.

Getting messier by the minute.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk

I read an analysis that this attack from Israel is more likely to unite the people with their leaders, rather than against them.

The West has a long history of engineering regime change, leaving behind failed states with little more than a shrug. Imposing democracy through airstrikes was always the strategy never the aftermath. Planning stopped at the bomb, not at the nation building after.

One economic model seriously attempts to predict the fallout from regime collapse and ensuing factional infighting. It’s no wonder Western allies are growing nervous. Their proxy force like those in Hama and Hezbolla have been severely weakened. Key infrastructure and command centers have been systematically dismantled, pushing the region closer to total destabilization. The risk of full regime collapse is no longer hypothetica and that should alarm us all.

Economic Catastrophe
Oil Market Collapse:
Iran’s 3.8 million barrels/day oil production halts, and Gulf shipping (e.g., Strait of Hormuz) faces disruptions from militia attacks. Global oil prices soar to $200+/barrel, triggering a recession. U.S. gas prices hit $8–$10/gallon, inflating consumer costs by 15–20%.
Saudi Arabia and OPEC struggle to offset losses, with production capacity strained by sabotage.
Supply Chain Disruptions:
Iran’s collapse disrupts global trade routes, especially for semiconductors and rare earths reliant on Middle Eastern stability. Tech and automotive industries face 30–40% production cuts.
Food and fertilizer shortages worsen globally, as Iran’s agricultural exports (e.g., pistachios, saffron) and regional trade networks collapse.

Fingers crossed.

I don't think many of the people you are talking about actually want Iran to have nuclear weapons, they just don't understand the hypocracy involved in the whole thing. A government who supports terrorists with the slogan 'death to arabs' and who attacks and occupies many Arab countries for years, a government who are pro apartheid and pro ethnic cleansing, just all round nasty, dangerous individuals responsible for 1000s and 1000s of Arab deaths like their slogan promises can have nuclear weapons but Iran should be bombed, war started, civillians killed if they try and join Israels club? Why do the Israeli government get to unilaterally decide that they can police who has nuclear weapons when they are disgusting, violent terror supporting people themselves? How are people picking a 'side' in this and being supportive of the actions of these disgusting humans who are responsible for so much death and destruction?

Nuclear weapons shouldn't be held by anyone. Iran aren't exceptional and it's confusing that people are trying to pretend that they are in order to justify more violence. It's confusing that people aren't just condemning it all and asking for peaceful resolutions rather than flinging insults and pretending that a terror supporting government is trying to help us all(unless of course you are Arab).

The financial implaction for evryone are horrific if this doen't calm down pdq.

That means holding back Netanyahu with genuine threats of consequences. Being a friend to Israel should not mean giving Netanyahu a carte blanche to wage endless wars that keep the Middle East, including Israel itself, in turmoil.

Opinion The FT View
The war that should have been avoided
Only Trump has leverage with both Netanyahu and Tehran. He must use it

https://archive.ph/NAaep#selection-1509.0-1525.70

After years of threats and posturing, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has finally backed his rhetoric and launched a large-scale military assault against Iran. Waves of Israeli air strikes have targeted the Islamic republic’s nuclear programme — striking Natanz, one of its main uranium enrichment plants — and its missile factories, and killed two top military commanders.
The veteran Israeli leader says his goal is to prevent the regime acquiring nuclear weapons, which Israel has long considered an existential threat. But by launching such a devastating assault on Iran he is igniting the full-blown war the world has feared since Hamas’s horrific October 7, 2023 attack triggered regional hostilities.
He is gambling with the fate of the Middle East when the focus should be on US diplomatic efforts to secure a deal with Iran to curb its nuclear activities. But Netanyahu has long sought military action over diplomacy. It is difficult to see how the indirect talks between Washington and Tehran survive.
Tehran, ever more vulnerable and backed into a corner, is more likely to retaliate than negotiate in a bid to raise the stakes. That increases the risk of US troops being dragged into combat and conflict spilling over borders if the Islamic regime fears for its survival.
The world is rightly fearful. Oil prices jumped amid fears that Iran could seek to disrupt the flow of crude through the Strait of Hormuz or target energy assets in Gulf states. This would inflict more pain on an uneasy global economy. More important is the potential devastation of yet more war in a region that has endured 20 months of the most destructive and deadly conflict in decades.
Israel’s European allies and Gulf leaders must use whatever influence they have to try to rein Netanyahu in and bring Iran back to the table. The key here is the US president, the one leader with significant leverage over Israel. Donald Trump returned to the White House promising to end the war in Gaza and bring peace to the Middle East. But on his watch, an emboldened Netanyahu has escalated the offensive in Gaza and now opened an even bigger front.
In public, Trump has said he prefers a deal to resolve the nuclear crisis and US officials have insisted they had no part in the first day of Israeli assault. But he seems to have acquiesced to Netanyahu’s assault. On Friday, Trump warned Iran of “even more brutal” attacks, as he urged Tehran to “make a deal”. He noted that a 60-day deadline he gave the republic to reach an accord had passed, while saying “now they have, perhaps, a second chance!”
Trump may have calculated that he can use Israel to pressure Tehran to give up its nuclear programme. He may discover that Netanyahu has used him to drag the US into a war with Iran.
The Islamic regime, facing its gravest threat in decades, should grab whatever diplomatic rope still exists. For too long, it has wilfully ignored the urgency of the world’s concern over its nuclear programme, provocatively expanding its stockpile of uranium enriched close to weapons-grade levels to become a nuclear threshold state. A malign influence across the region, it must realise its path is unsustainable and be willing to compromise to reach a nuclear deal.
But Trump, too, has a chance to show responsible leadership. The roots of the crisis can be traced to his flawed decision in 2018 to withdraw the US unilaterally from an accord that severely limited Iran’s nuclear activities, and with which it was complying. He must realise that it is in his and America’s interests to bring this conflict to a swift end. That means holding back Netanyahu with genuine threats of consequences. Being a friend to Israel should not mean giving Netanyahu a carte blanche to wage endless wars that keep the Middle East, including Israel itself, in turmoil.

Iran aren't exceptional. You mean apart from its non compliance with nuclear safeguards?

I am not in favour of nuclear weapons for anyone and fully support disarmament so definitely do not support Iran developing any but I think this is a bit rich
Iran aren't exceptional. You mean apart from its non compliance with nuclear safeguards?
Considering Israel does not allow international nuclear inspections of its nuclear facilities maintaining a policy of nuclear opacity, neither confirming nor denying the existence of its nuclear weapons program, and has not signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) according to the Nuclear Threat Initiative.

The language being used on both sides this morning is very angry. Nothing measured from either side.

It's not a comparable situation, however, when India and Pakistan were firing at each other recently, the language on both sides was notably different. It was clear neither side wanted a full out war.

It's ok though, the Pope has asked nicely for calm and restraint ....

He's a new one as well the batteries are still strong at this point.

One word: holocaust.