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Conflict in the Middle East

Yikes, Israel might have just attacked Iran!

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SomeWomanSomewhere · 13/06/2025 01:17

This is NOT GOOD news!

Israel has declared a state of emergency, at least six explosions in Tehran.

This is seriously unfunny!

Israel has ZERO strategic depth - Iran has plenty. Nukes: see above, reverse!

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sualipa · 13/06/2025 18:27

Vivi0 · 13/06/2025 18:19

Lol - Tommy Robinson hyperbole.

What did I say that wasn’t true?

Well, he's off on one again. Like I said, the UK can feel like a tinderbox at times. With people like Tommy Robinson stirring things up and the threat from Islamist extremism sometimes being exaggerated for effect, it's so important that those of us who genuinely care about this country do what we can to keep things calm and avoid adding fuel to the fire.

Yikes, Israel might have just attacked Iran!
SharonEllis · 13/06/2025 18:27

sualipa · 13/06/2025 18:14

That's Tommy Robinson hyperbole but with a degree rather than the terraces at Luton Town. I really think responsible people need to crank dowm the rhetoric unless it's an outcome they are actively seeking.

What do you mean? Are you denying those atrocities and narrowly averted atrocities or are you denying they were carried out by Islamist extremists? Dismissing reality as Tommy Robinson style hyperbole is wrong.

I can assure you my moderate and ex- muslim friends (many of them Iranian) have nothing but contempt for people with their heads in the sand.

samG76 · 13/06/2025 18:36

sualipa - Sadat had been a Nazi as well as were many of the Arab leaders. The people who criticized Israel for not engaging their neighbours then criticized them because the leaders turned out to have dodgy histories. The Saudis sold S Africa loads of oil, without which the S African economy would really have struggled. But everyone talks about Israel.

Vivi0 · 13/06/2025 18:37

sualipa · 13/06/2025 18:27

Well, he's off on one again. Like I said, the UK can feel like a tinderbox at times. With people like Tommy Robinson stirring things up and the threat from Islamist extremism sometimes being exaggerated for effect, it's so important that those of us who genuinely care about this country do what we can to keep things calm and avoid adding fuel to the fire.

I think you missed my point.

People are downplaying the threat Iran poses.

Yet they spend billions funding global terrorism.

And we all know what terrorism looks like, and the destruction and unrest it causes. If it wasn’t for our intelligence services, we would see a lot more of it.

Given Iran’s involvement in this globally, does anyone really trust that they wouldn’t use a nuclear weapon?

And for balance, I haven’t met or known a Muslim individual who wasn’t a thoroughly decent person.

sualipa · 13/06/2025 18:37

SharonEllis · 13/06/2025 18:27

What do you mean? Are you denying those atrocities and narrowly averted atrocities or are you denying they were carried out by Islamist extremists? Dismissing reality as Tommy Robinson style hyperbole is wrong.

I can assure you my moderate and ex- muslim friends (many of them Iranian) have nothing but contempt for people with their heads in the sand.

No one’s denying that Islamist extremism exists or that there have been horrific attacks and narrowly averted ones. I was actually near London Bridge when that atrocity occurred, so I don’t need reminding of how terrifying and tragic these events are or how frightened we were that terrible night.

But acknowledging that doesn’t mean we should accept every alarmist narrative, especially when they’re pushed by people like Tommy Robinson and his ilk, whose aim is to stir division and racial hatred. There’s a huge difference between recognising a threat and inflating it in a way that casts suspicion over entire communities. If he's on your 'side' maybe a time for a liitle self-refection.

And if we’re talking about reality, we also have to acknowledge the immense suffering caused by Western interventions in Muslim-majority countries. Over 200,000 civilians have died in Iraq alone since 2003. Tens of thousands more in Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, and Yemen. That loss of life and trauma shapes how people see the West, and it feeds cycles of violence and mistrust. Ignoring that context doesn’t make us safer—it just narrows the dialoigue,

BorgQueen · 13/06/2025 18:39

Israel is doing the job the whole world should be doing. We should be supporting them.

Abhannmor · 13/06/2025 18:40

Twiglets1 · 13/06/2025 17:47

Starmer: UK has ‘grave concerns’ about Iran’s nuclear programme

Sir Keir Stamer has backed Israeli strikes against Iran and said the UK has “grave concerns” about Tehran’s nuclear programme.

Speaking to Bloomberg after Israel’s attacks, the Prime Minister said: “We’ve long held concerns, grave concerns, about Iran’s nuclear programme, and we absolutely recognise Israel’s right to self defence.”

But the Prime Minister also said he was “very concerned” about escalation of tensions in the Middle East, adding: “which is why, along with Germany and France, we’re really clear that de-escalation is what is needed here.”

The leaders of the UK, France and Germany earlier called for all sides to refrain from escalation.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/06/13/israel-attacks-iran-latest-news-nuclear-sites-war/

Translation - Israel can bomb anyone it wants but we are a bit worried they might retaliate.

sualipa · 13/06/2025 18:41

samG76 · 13/06/2025 18:36

sualipa - Sadat had been a Nazi as well as were many of the Arab leaders. The people who criticized Israel for not engaging their neighbours then criticized them because the leaders turned out to have dodgy histories. The Saudis sold S Africa loads of oil, without which the S African economy would really have struggled. But everyone talks about Israel.

Well I never - you learn something new every day !

Yikes, Israel might have just attacked Iran!
EasternStandard · 13/06/2025 18:41

sualipa · 13/06/2025 18:37

No one’s denying that Islamist extremism exists or that there have been horrific attacks and narrowly averted ones. I was actually near London Bridge when that atrocity occurred, so I don’t need reminding of how terrifying and tragic these events are or how frightened we were that terrible night.

But acknowledging that doesn’t mean we should accept every alarmist narrative, especially when they’re pushed by people like Tommy Robinson and his ilk, whose aim is to stir division and racial hatred. There’s a huge difference between recognising a threat and inflating it in a way that casts suspicion over entire communities. If he's on your 'side' maybe a time for a liitle self-refection.

And if we’re talking about reality, we also have to acknowledge the immense suffering caused by Western interventions in Muslim-majority countries. Over 200,000 civilians have died in Iraq alone since 2003. Tens of thousands more in Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, and Yemen. That loss of life and trauma shapes how people see the West, and it feeds cycles of violence and mistrust. Ignoring that context doesn’t make us safer—it just narrows the dialoigue,

I don’t think anyone else has mentioned TR. I don’t know what he’s saying and have zero desire to look into it.

The threat I posted below was from MI5 head speech last year.

sualipa · 13/06/2025 18:44

EasternStandard · 13/06/2025 18:41

I don’t think anyone else has mentioned TR. I don’t know what he’s saying and have zero desire to look into it.

The threat I posted below was from MI5 head speech last year.

He unequivocally and absolutely supports Israel, and he's actively working to steer his far-right supporters in that direction. He also pushes the line that Islamism is comparable to Nazism, insisting that we all need to 'wake up.' It's a deliberate strategy: framing a complex issue in extreme terms to justify fear and division.

Vivi0 · 13/06/2025 18:47

sualipa · 13/06/2025 18:44

He unequivocally and absolutely supports Israel, and he's actively working to steer his far-right supporters in that direction. He also pushes the line that Islamism is comparable to Nazism, insisting that we all need to 'wake up.' It's a deliberate strategy: framing a complex issue in extreme terms to justify fear and division.

How is Tommy Robinson relevant to this thread?

DrPrunesqualer · 13/06/2025 18:49

Whatsinanamehey · 13/06/2025 18:15

@Twiglets1 I have seen the same that Britain isn't helping Israel this time in defending themselves from Iran's counter attack. I think they did last time though.

A poster above said the UK and US were helping to shoot down drones but I haven't seen it reported anywhere.

I saw that too @Whatsinanamehey hence my confusion
Thanks @Twiglets1 for that.

^^

SharonEllis · 13/06/2025 18:52

sualipa · 13/06/2025 18:37

No one’s denying that Islamist extremism exists or that there have been horrific attacks and narrowly averted ones. I was actually near London Bridge when that atrocity occurred, so I don’t need reminding of how terrifying and tragic these events are or how frightened we were that terrible night.

But acknowledging that doesn’t mean we should accept every alarmist narrative, especially when they’re pushed by people like Tommy Robinson and his ilk, whose aim is to stir division and racial hatred. There’s a huge difference between recognising a threat and inflating it in a way that casts suspicion over entire communities. If he's on your 'side' maybe a time for a liitle self-refection.

And if we’re talking about reality, we also have to acknowledge the immense suffering caused by Western interventions in Muslim-majority countries. Over 200,000 civilians have died in Iraq alone since 2003. Tens of thousands more in Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, and Yemen. That loss of life and trauma shapes how people see the West, and it feeds cycles of violence and mistrust. Ignoring that context doesn’t make us safer—it just narrows the dialoigue,

No, you are the one stirring here. @Vivi0 's post was factual and was not casting aspersions on any community, and neither was my post. You brought Tommy Robinson into it with a straw man argument. So what if he is also stirring. So what if he manipulatively claims to support Israel. No Jew or Israeli I know has any interest in his support so don't you lump him in with people you are trying to discredit. You have consistently downplayed the threat of Iran yet today I have seen (low level) security briefings. The threat is real and your complacency us disturbing.

Whatsinanamehey · 13/06/2025 18:52

BorgQueen · 13/06/2025 18:39

Israel is doing the job the whole world should be doing. We should be supporting them.

The whole world should be attacking Iran?

sualipa · 13/06/2025 18:52

Vivi0 · 13/06/2025 18:47

How is Tommy Robinson relevant to this thread?

Because someone tried to frame Iran’s malign influence in UK politics as just a domestic issue and I pushed back.

The Islamist extremism is the issue.
The absolute denial of this issue, is really something.
We in the west know exactly what Islamist extremism looks like. We’ve seen plenty of it for ourselves in Glasgow, Manchester, London, Paris etc.
In the UK alone, since 2017, 39 late-stage plots have been disrupted. 39!
The UK is one Islamist terror attack away from mass civil unrest.
Iran has spent billions funding global terrorism. Fuelling it.
The Iranians even have a clock ticking down to the destruction of Israel.
Is everyone really certain Iran wouldn’t use a nuclear weapon?

SharonEllis · 13/06/2025 18:53

Vivi0 · 13/06/2025 18:47

How is Tommy Robinson relevant to this thread?

He isn't. Not remotely.

EasternStandard · 13/06/2025 18:54

sualipa · 13/06/2025 18:44

He unequivocally and absolutely supports Israel, and he's actively working to steer his far-right supporters in that direction. He also pushes the line that Islamism is comparable to Nazism, insisting that we all need to 'wake up.' It's a deliberate strategy: framing a complex issue in extreme terms to justify fear and division.

Ok it’s not influencing my posts. I don’t go on X and manage to avoid his views.

I do trust the source I put below on top three hostile state threats to U.K.

SharonEllis · 13/06/2025 18:55

EasternStandard · 13/06/2025 18:41

I don’t think anyone else has mentioned TR. I don’t know what he’s saying and have zero desire to look into it.

The threat I posted below was from MI5 head speech last year.

Me neither - the only person hanging on his words seems to be Sualipa.

sualipa · 13/06/2025 18:55

EasternStandard · 13/06/2025 18:54

Ok it’s not influencing my posts. I don’t go on X and manage to avoid his views.

I do trust the source I put below on top three hostile state threats to U.K.

Fair enough let's move on !

1dayatatime · 13/06/2025 18:56

@sualipa

There are so many points to unpack in your post:

"Yes, Iran’s no angel -they've backed dodgy groups, stirred things up through their proxies, and played a messy game in the region. "

Describing Iran as no angel is a bit like describing Hitler as "a bit of a bad lad".

But let’s not kid ourselves that bombing or toppling their regime is going to magically fix any of that.

As far as I am aware Israel is now seeking to topple the Iranian regime but simply to bomb the crap out of the nuclear bomb research and manufacturing to put back the development of their nuclear bomb.

We’ve tried that before in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan. How did those turn out? Not great.
I completely agree which is why any regime change must come from within.

Sometimes the devil you know really is better than the chaos that follows. The current Iranian regime is grim, but it still has something to lose. Blow the place apart or collapse the government, and you’ve got armed factions running wild, nuclear materials unaccounted for, and no one picking up the phone when you want to dial things down.
Which is why any regime change must come from within. It's curious that many on the liberal left are calling for the removal of Putin but not the Iranian regime. Similarly if Putin was forcibly removed by an external power then that would create a bigger problem.

As for the idea that a nuclear Iran would be untouchabl let’s be realistic. Nuclear weapons aren't a free pass. If anything, having them makes countries more cautious, not less. Mutually assured destruction still applies. No one wants to start World War 3.
I agree but it would enable Iran to continue its proxy wars as well as enabling terrorism in the West without fear of a ground invasion or regime change. Plus if there was an internal regime change then the current regime might just think let's drop a nuke on Israel before we get removed and killed.

And applauding Israel for dragging us into that mess? Really? They’re pursuing their interests, not ours. We shouldn’t be blindly following someone else’s foreign policy especially if it risks putting our own country in the firing line or sending oil prices through the roof.

So I would say stopping Iran getting nuclear weapons is in the UK's interest. Iran a country that has supported terrorist attacks on UK shipping, terrorists in the UK and kidnapped Royal Navy sailors.

So no, this isn’t about defending Iran. It’s about not blowing up the region (again) just because it feels like “something” should be done. Sometimes doing less is smarter than making things far far worse.

OK are you suggesting that we write a strongly worded letter to the Iranians asking them to stop developing nuclear weapons because otherwise they will have to go on the naughty step, because sanctions clearly haven't worked. Or do you have another suggestion?

Vivi0 · 13/06/2025 18:59

sualipa · 13/06/2025 18:52

Because someone tried to frame Iran’s malign influence in UK politics as just a domestic issue and I pushed back.

The Islamist extremism is the issue.
The absolute denial of this issue, is really something.
We in the west know exactly what Islamist extremism looks like. We’ve seen plenty of it for ourselves in Glasgow, Manchester, London, Paris etc.
In the UK alone, since 2017, 39 late-stage plots have been disrupted. 39!
The UK is one Islamist terror attack away from mass civil unrest.
Iran has spent billions funding global terrorism. Fuelling it.
The Iranians even have a clock ticking down to the destruction of Israel.
Is everyone really certain Iran wouldn’t use a nuclear weapon?

No - I don’t think so.

The threat Iran poses to the world is, for some reason, being downplayed on here.

Some posters seem to think it is quite unfair to prevent them from developing nuclear capabilities.

Even Keir Stamer said he has grave concerns. I would imagine most world leaders share that view.

Sir Keir Stamer has backed Israeli strikes against Iran and said the UK has “grave concerns” about Tehran’s nuclear programme.

Speaking to Bloomberg after Israel’s attacks, the Prime Minister said: “We’ve long held concerns, grave concerns, about Iran’s nuclear programme, and we absolutely recognise Israel’s right to self defence.”

1dayatatime · 13/06/2025 19:03

It really says something about the self hate of western values and anti semitism of the liberal left that their sympathies are with Iran.

Iran a country that recently plotted a terrorist attack in the UK:

https://news.sky.com/story/four-iranian-men-arrested-on-suspicion-of-preparing-terror-attack-released-13369847

Iran a country that supported the Houthis launching attacks on British shipping:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68367495.amp

Iran a country that kidnapped Royal Navy sailors:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007IraniannarrestoffRoyalNavyy_personnel

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004IraniannseizureoffRoyalNavyy_personnel

DrPrunesqualer · 13/06/2025 19:10

SharonEllis · 13/06/2025 18:55

Me neither - the only person hanging on his words seems to be Sualipa.

And a pp which was the first time this was posted on here at 6:10pm.

Guessing @sualipa picked up on this

Yikes, Israel might have just attacked Iran!
Nowayyousure · 13/06/2025 19:13

PaxAeterna · 13/06/2025 09:04

@EllaDisenchanted just seen your response on the thread and I’m remembering that you are in Israel . I see on sky news that there were air raid sirens and phone alerts warning of severe retaliation in the early hours. That must be just petrifying. I hope you and your loved ones are well.

I hope you are ok @EllaDisenchanted

Stay safe.

Vivi0 · 13/06/2025 19:14

DrPrunesqualer · 13/06/2025 19:10

And a pp which was the first time this was posted on here at 6:10pm.

Guessing @sualipa picked up on this

Sorry, what?

I’m hanging on Tonmy Robinson’s word?

Are you having a laugh?

What has anything I’ve said got to do with Tommy Robinson?

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