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Conflict in the Middle East

Freedom Flotilla

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Badh · 06/06/2025 23:11

Thought this might be worth its own thread. The freedom flotilla The Madleen was getting close to Gaza but seems to have made a diversion, as it was the closest boat to answer a distress call. They seem to also have four Sudanese asylum seekers on board who were trying to escape the Libyan coast patrol.

The UK and France are asking Israel for its safe passage.

The tracker is here but is in and out of action.
https://freedomflotilla.org/ffc-tracker/

More details here, although the latest detour is not covered in the article.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-navy-gears-up-to-block-high-profile-protest-ship-headed-for-gaza/amp/

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Martymcfly24 · 10/06/2025 16:30

Badh · 10/06/2025 16:26

Very similar as to when @HellsBalls insisted that no tents had been bombed at all. When provided with links there was no response.

Exactly...
It's quite frightening the level of denial of events on here lately.

HellsBalls · 10/06/2025 16:37

Badh · 10/06/2025 16:26

Very similar as to when @HellsBalls insisted that no tents had been bombed at all. When provided with links there was no response.

You mean the drone flying above a tent fire, with a load of Gazan youths running around, obviously not afraid of the drone?

The accusation was ‘carpet bombing tents’.
I’m still waiting for that evidence.

GretaGreen · 10/06/2025 16:39

SharonEllis · 10/06/2025 16:24

Terrorist supporters are called that when they support terrorists. Its perfectly possible to support Palestinians without supporting terrorists. As so many of the people murdered on 7 October were actively engaged in doing.

On this silly boat there were people who actively supported terrorists and terrorist positions such as Rima Hassan who claimed the Bibas family were killed by Israel and blaming Israel for 7 October.

Thiago Avila attended Nasrallah's funeral and refers to Israel as 'the zionist entity' calling 'zionists' the 'real terrorists' and Hezbollah as 'freedom fighters'. He also posted an admiring photo of himself with plane hijacker Leila Khaled. There's much more if you look him up.

Everyone on that boat knew about his background as he has not been shy about broadcasting his hatred for Israel and support for terrorists.

Well it's not just terrorist supporters that are called terrorist supporters is it and that is the issue? I was called a terrorist supporter on this thread for challenging graphic, distressing misinformation.

Bumble6 · 10/06/2025 16:46

Whilst I 100% agree with others that being against Netanyahu's government and what they are doing is not being antisemitic or being Hamas supporters, I do think people are slightly blinded by their absolute hatred for Israel. As I have mentioned before it seems for many to be a such a simple black and white issue... That anyone who shows support for Israel is a genocide supporter and anyone such as the people on this boat are wonderful, principled human beings...
When you look into some of the pro Palestinian people who are very vocal, such as some of the people on that boat, they are supporters of people who support genocide themselves. Does it not matter to those who have been cheering them on?
And on the bigger scale, so many see it simply that if Israel just down their weapons, remove themselves completely from Gaza, that everyone will live happily ever after in their two states. They seem to not grasp that Hamas would like to kill not only all Israeli's but all jewish people and that they do and will, happily kill their own people to do it too.
What is happening is atrocious and there needs to be a complete ceasefire right now, but the history of the region, what the land means to so many groups of people, is so long and complicated, much more than so many on here seem to be able to grasp, that it will take a massive amount to ever bring peace.

As for the boat stunt, having read and watched more, I now really feel it has made a big mockery of the people who genuinely have been doing huge amounts to help the people of Gaza and that it has actually backfired on the crew with the photos of Greta.

Martymcfly24 · 10/06/2025 16:53

GretaGreen · 10/06/2025 16:39

Well it's not just terrorist supporters that are called terrorist supporters is it and that is the issue? I was called a terrorist supporter on this thread for challenging graphic, distressing misinformation.

I have been accused of being one because in a post I made about the actions of the Israeli government I didn't mention Hamas (nothing to do with the post) which meant I clearly supported them.

Thing is you become desensitized once you hear it to often.

Badh · 10/06/2025 17:24

HellsBalls · 10/06/2025 16:37

You mean the drone flying above a tent fire, with a load of Gazan youths running around, obviously not afraid of the drone?

The accusation was ‘carpet bombing tents’.
I’m still waiting for that evidence.

Carpey bombing? I don’t think you could definitively say they have been carpet bombing people in tents.

Have they been dropping 2,000 lb bombs on people living in tents? yes absolutely. The use of such heavy munitions is why the death toll is so high and it’s part of the reason that Israel is accused by a growing number of governments and others of indiscriminately killing civilians.

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Badh · 10/06/2025 17:40

@Bumble6

That anyone who shows support for Israel is a genocide supporter and anyone such as the people on this boat are wonderful, principled human beings

I don’t think this at all. Life isn’t so black and white. I can see that the vast majority of posters do not think Israel is committing a genocide. They simply don’t believe that Israel committing war crimes and willfully starving people, because they wouldn’t support such things.

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MushMonster · 10/06/2025 17:44

NotABottie · 10/06/2025 14:53

That was in response to @MushMonster

Which one? I missed it, sorry

sualipa · 10/06/2025 17:44

Badh · 10/06/2025 17:24

Carpey bombing? I don’t think you could definitively say they have been carpet bombing people in tents.

Have they been dropping 2,000 lb bombs on people living in tents? yes absolutely. The use of such heavy munitions is why the death toll is so high and it’s part of the reason that Israel is accused by a growing number of governments and others of indiscriminately killing civilians.

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https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-attack-rafah-tent-camp-draws-global-condemnation-2024-05-27/

Survivors said families were preparing to sleep when the strike hit the Tel Al-Sultan neighbourhood where thousands were sheltering after Israeli forces began a ground offensive in the east of Rafah over two weeks ago.
"We were praying... and we were getting our children's beds ready to sleep. There was nothing unusual, then we heard a very loud noise, and fire erupted around us," said Umm Mohamed Al-Attar, a Palestinian mother in a red headscarf.

"All the children started screaming... The sound was terrifying; we felt like the metal was about to collapse on us, and shrapnel fell into the rooms."
Video footage obtained by Reuters showed a fire raging in the darkness and people screaming in panic. A group of young men tried to haul away sheets of corrugated iron and a hose from a single fire truck began to douse the flames.
More than half of the dead were women, children, and elderly people, health officials in Hamas-run Gaza said, adding that the death toll was likely to rise from people with severe burns.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/9/12/what-bombs-did-israel-use-against-the-al-mawasi-safe-zone-in-gaza

The three bombs dropped by Israeli warplanes on displaced people’s tents in southern Gaza left three enormous craters and myriad questions about the use of such big munitions on such a densely populated space.

In the early hours of Tuesday, Israel’s bombing of al-Mawasi killed at least 19 people and wounded many more.

At least 22 people are reported missing, assumed to have been vaporised by the intensity of the blast.

What bombs did Israel use against the al-Mawasi ‘safe zone’ in Gaza?

Al Jazeera’s verification agency has suggested the Israeli army used the powerful MK-84 against the tented settlement.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/9/12/what-bombs-did-israel-use-against-the-al-mawasi-safe-zone-in-gaza

sualipa · 10/06/2025 17:50

quantumbutterfly · 10/06/2025 12:05

Force teaming hamas and the suffragettes? seriously?

Terrorists - certainly - justified - that's a matter of opinion looked at through through modern eyes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffragettebombingandarsoncampaign

One common target for suffragette attacks was churches, as it was believed that the Church of England was complicit in reinforcing opposition to women's suffrage.[87] Between 1913 and 1914, 32 churches were the subject of suffragette attacks.[62] Several churches and cathedrals were bombed in 1914: on 5 April, the St Martins-in-the-Field church in Trafalgar Square, London, was bombed, blowing out the windows and showering passers-by with broken glass.[31][88][78] A bomb was also discovered in the Metropolitan Tabernacle church in London, and in June, a bomb exploded at Westminster Abbey, damaging the Coronation Chair.[31][2][89] Crowded with visitors, around 80–100 people had been in the building when the bomb exploded.[90][91] The device was probably planted by a member of a group that had left the Abbey moments before the explosion.[90] Some were as close as 20 yards from the bomb at the time and the explosion caused a panic for the exits, but no serious injuries were reported.[91] The bomb had been packed with nuts and bolts to act as shrapnel.[91]

Suffragette bombing and arson campaign - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffragette_bombing_and_arson_campaign

NaughtyNellie · 10/06/2025 18:09

I am old enough to remember when ANC was classified a terrorist organisation by the SA government.

Bumble6 · 10/06/2025 18:10

Badh · 10/06/2025 17:40

@Bumble6

That anyone who shows support for Israel is a genocide supporter and anyone such as the people on this boat are wonderful, principled human beings

I don’t think this at all. Life isn’t so black and white. I can see that the vast majority of posters do not think Israel is committing a genocide. They simply don’t believe that Israel committing war crimes and willfully starving people, because they wouldn’t support such things.

Of course there are those who think like that but there are also those who believe everything they hear from the 'other side' simply because they cannot bring themselves to question something that doesn't fit their narrative that anything to do with Israel is evil.
I don't believe anyone wants to see children killed or starving and there must be something terribly wrong with them if they do. On both sides.

Martymcfly24 · 10/06/2025 18:15

NaughtyNellie · 10/06/2025 18:09

I am old enough to remember when ANC was classified a terrorist organisation by the SA government.

Was just thinking of the shopworkers in Dunnes in Ireland the other day who protested against South Africa by refusing to hold their produce.

They were abused for their stance at the time too like those on the boat are here.

mandate.ie/2024/07/the-day-10-workers-changed-the-world-the-dunnes-stores-anti-apartheid-strike/

ArtTheClown · 10/06/2025 18:24

Is it like "We know we have murdered nearly 55000 people but forget them, LET'S TALK ABOUT US"!!!

Are you Dawn French? This is so dismissive.

SharonEllis · 10/06/2025 18:31

Nowayyousure · 10/06/2025 16:26

That's awful. If all that yiu claim.is true about those on the boat then they are clearly supporting terrorists!

Easy to verify via google. Thiago Avila said these things on his own social media.

SharonEllis · 10/06/2025 18:35

NaughtyNellie · 10/06/2025 18:09

I am old enough to remember when ANC was classified a terrorist organisation by the SA government.

What's your point? You dont have to remember to know the historical fact that the SA government designated the ANC terrorists. Neither the SA government or ANC are in any way comparable to the Israeli government and Hamas

SharonEllis · 10/06/2025 18:42

sualipa · 10/06/2025 17:50

Terrorists - certainly - justified - that's a matter of opinion looked at through through modern eyes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffragettebombingandarsoncampaign

One common target for suffragette attacks was churches, as it was believed that the Church of England was complicit in reinforcing opposition to women's suffrage.[87] Between 1913 and 1914, 32 churches were the subject of suffragette attacks.[62] Several churches and cathedrals were bombed in 1914: on 5 April, the St Martins-in-the-Field church in Trafalgar Square, London, was bombed, blowing out the windows and showering passers-by with broken glass.[31][88][78] A bomb was also discovered in the Metropolitan Tabernacle church in London, and in June, a bomb exploded at Westminster Abbey, damaging the Coronation Chair.[31][2][89] Crowded with visitors, around 80–100 people had been in the building when the bomb exploded.[90][91] The device was probably planted by a member of a group that had left the Abbey moments before the explosion.[90] Some were as close as 20 yards from the bomb at the time and the explosion caused a panic for the exits, but no serious injuries were reported.[91] The bomb had been packed with nuts and bolts to act as shrapnel.[91]

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Where's the matter of opinion? Of course some extreme suffragettes committed acts of terrorism in furtherance of their aim to get the vote. Their whole purpose was not to destroy men though. Hamas's purpose is to destroy Israel and kill Jewish people. They bring up their children to hate Israel and believe killing Jews will bring them rewards in heaven.

ssd · 10/06/2025 18:43

ArtTheClown · 10/06/2025 18:24

Is it like "We know we have murdered nearly 55000 people but forget them, LET'S TALK ABOUT US"!!!

Are you Dawn French? This is so dismissive.

Yes you're right.

It IS very dismissive to only mention the people horribly killed on oct 7 and ignore the many many thousands horribly killed since oct 7th.

Very dismissive indeed.

sualipa · 10/06/2025 18:43

SharonEllis · 10/06/2025 18:35

What's your point? You dont have to remember to know the historical fact that the SA government designated the ANC terrorists. Neither the SA government or ANC are in any way comparable to the Israeli government and Hamas

I would broadly agree with your point, but the "saintly" Margaret Thatcher did indeed regard the ANC as a terrorist organization. That said, the ANC was a progressive, Marxist-aligned national liberation movement that largely avoided tactics such as suicide bombings or deliberately targeting civilians. For the most part, their armed wing focused on military and economic targets unlike Hamas which is a much more sinsiter and sectarian Islamist organistaion.

MusedeBordeaux · 10/06/2025 18:45

I am personally in awe of Greta and co. She brought a new focus to the genocide that is happening. Sadly the aid didn't get in, but now more know what is happening and that is a gain.

I would have liked their flour and nappies to have reached a few families, because 4 desperate families with some relief is better than nothing...

SharonEllis · 10/06/2025 18:46

sualipa · 10/06/2025 18:43

I would broadly agree with your point, but the "saintly" Margaret Thatcher did indeed regard the ANC as a terrorist organization. That said, the ANC was a progressive, Marxist-aligned national liberation movement that largely avoided tactics such as suicide bombings or deliberately targeting civilians. For the most part, their armed wing focused on military and economic targets unlike Hamas which is a much more sinsiter and sectarian Islamist organistaion.

I certainly dont regard Thatcher as a saint and I was a very active anti-apartheid campaigner & knew many ANC activists.

NaughtyNellie · 10/06/2025 18:48

sualipa · 10/06/2025 18:43

I would broadly agree with your point, but the "saintly" Margaret Thatcher did indeed regard the ANC as a terrorist organization. That said, the ANC was a progressive, Marxist-aligned national liberation movement that largely avoided tactics such as suicide bombings or deliberately targeting civilians. For the most part, their armed wing focused on military and economic targets unlike Hamas which is a much more sinsiter and sectarian Islamist organistaion.

I was not comparing the ANC to Hamas. I was making the point around activism and opposition

SharonEllis · 10/06/2025 18:52

sualipa · 10/06/2025 18:43

I would broadly agree with your point, but the "saintly" Margaret Thatcher did indeed regard the ANC as a terrorist organization. That said, the ANC was a progressive, Marxist-aligned national liberation movement that largely avoided tactics such as suicide bombings or deliberately targeting civilians. For the most part, their armed wing focused on military and economic targets unlike Hamas which is a much more sinsiter and sectarian Islamist organistaion.

Yes you're right their approach was fundamentally different to Hamas, to disrupt the economy through sabotage and instigate a move to democracy. Hamas want to wipe Israel and Jews off the face of the earth. Completely, radically different

1dayatatime · 10/06/2025 18:52

NaughtyNellie · 10/06/2025 18:09

I am old enough to remember when ANC was classified a terrorist organisation by the SA government.

The ANC through their armed wing "MK" killed more than 19000 people. Whilst there were some military and political assassinations in that number the vast majority were innocent civilians of whom the vast majority were black civilians.

If you can remember that the ANC were a designated terrorist group then I'm sure that you can remember the "necklace killings" of black civilians by MK where tyres were placed over the heads of victims filled with petrol then set alight.

IMO, MK and their political arm the ANC were designated terrorist groups with a lot of strong evidence to support this.

SharonEllis · 10/06/2025 18:52

NaughtyNellie · 10/06/2025 18:48

I was not comparing the ANC to Hamas. I was making the point around activism and opposition

Sorry, still don't understand the point.

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