Freedom Flotilla

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Thought this might be worth its own thread. The freedom flotilla The Madleen was getting close to Gaza but seems to have made a diversion, as it was the closest boat to answer a distress call. They seem to also have four Sudanese asylum seekers on board who were trying to escape the Libyan coast patrol.

The UK and France are asking Israel for its safe passage.

The tracker is here but is in and out of action.
https://freedomflotilla.org/ffc-tracker/

More details here, although the latest detour is not covered in the article.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-navy-gears-up-to-block-high-profile-protest-ship-headed-for-gaza/amp/

I would certainly have refused to watch, we all know the horrific events of October 7th, who says the Madeline crew ever disputed what happened? But why would that be relevant to the crew protesting against a genocide, ethnic cleansing, starvation, and other war crimes?

I think Greta has had a massive PR fail.

Not watching the October 7th videos has been construed as massive moral cowardice with either an inability to face reality or worse a wilful denial of the events of October 7th which some do hold onto.

The fact she ate food given to her by the IDF shows that she was respectfully treated despite leading a propaganda drive against the very army which fed her.

Maybe she can reflect on her actions as well as her carbon footprint on her flight home

Not quite as simple as that though is it? Depending on the lens you are looking though.

Arab/Palestinian antisemitism and ideology made Hama’s extremist ideology a certainty. Nothing could have stopped it except changing the ideology and stopping the antisemitism.

Hamas have been quite clear in their charter they see this as a religious war. I don’t get why people don’t accept that.

Bill Clinton’s take:

A young Benjamin Netanyahu’s take:

TBH I kind of think if Netanyahu’s solution then had taken place, this conflict would have ended decades ago and a lot more Arabs/Palestinians would been living peaceful lives in Israel.

The PLO issued its charter in 1964. When the West Bank and Gaza were occupied by Jordan and Egypt respectively. 3 years before the 1967 war.

Israel could only try to contain Hamas to mitigate the risks to Israel.

Israel has never started a war unlike the 9 wars it’s Arab neighbours started with them.

Jews having any superiority on perceived Arab/Muslim lands is the issue in a nutshell.

That was in response to @MushMonster

You forceteamed all sorts of activists with Hamas by stating that all of them were at one time called terrorists by the powers that be.
Thus implying that "terrorist" , no matter the actual actions of said groups/individuals has no foundation in objectivity, but is a fabrication of "the state" by its declaration.
You doing this implies that you think that either the actions of Hamas, (including putting Gazans in the schtuck that they are in now) are justified or you are sullying the names and aims of Mandela, the Suffragettes, MLK, Malcolm X in an "end justified the means" way.
Which is weird as the above groups/people demanded equity, parity and justice and for their people to be left the fuck alone.
Hamas deliberately, as policy puts it's people in harm's way because the obliteration of a people and state and any encroachment on them is their ultimate aim.

Peace, a Palestinian state and equity/ equality for all Palestinians
With or without the existence of Israel is not the aim of Hamas, at all.

Hamas can't lace the shoes of MLK, Malcolm X, the Suffragettes, the IRA, Winnie or Nelson Mandela, Black Panthers etc where it comes to strategy, cost effectiveness and efficacy, messaging, curation of support/allies, aims, intellectualism.

The Black groups were especially vigilant of the potential narcissism of "allies" in a way that ALL pro Palestinian groups from Palestine have not been in my lifetime.

Infantilism and "anything helps" weren't much of a thing.
It was more shit or get off the pot. No time for no "Radical Chic". Human dignity is at stake here, please and thanks! This ain't no fucking crèche!

Another and very important reason for the lack of Palestinian progression.

It is absolutely relevant to these idiots protesting against an imaginary genocide and demanding a ceasefire, to understand exactly why Israel can’t ceasefire until Hamas’s capability to launch another attack is dismantled once and for all and obviously the hostages are released who are being held by the very same people who carried out these atrocities.

It is impossible to understand until you see these videos, not only the horrific images but also the savagery that drove these people to do this.

One boat trip and 2 flights to get her home again.

If they were taking humanitarian aid AND protesting for Hamas to surrender and release the hostages with their opportunity on the world stage, they might have shown they had a different agenda other than to try to get a reaction from a tiny country fighting wars with terrorists hiding behind their civilians on 7 fronts, for antisemitic/pro terrorist propaganda purposes.

Not watching the October 7th videos has been construed as massive moral cowardice with either an inability to face reality or worse a wilful denial of the events of October 7th which some do hold onto.

Or neither. Why do they need to watch the videos? What is the Israeli government trying to achieve here? Maybe it's my age but people are able to comprehend how horrific an incident is without having to watch footage of it? I'm sorry but suggesting it is cowardly is warped in my opinion. I would not want to see the footage you don't need to see it to understand what happened. I find it more bizarre that people seem to only be able to understand the depth of what happened if they look at footage. Not viewing it also does not mean you deny it happened you are just reaching here.

Also why do they need to see it? Will they decide that yes it's horrific keep going with your aid blockades, your bombing, your displacement of close to 2 million people and your genocidal language and activities? Is that what the authorities are expecting to happen? They have also summoned state ambassadors from countries that have criticised Israeli government activities in Gaza to view the footage again to what end?

Always heart warming to hear someone defending war crimes 🙄🙄

It's not about Greta watching it it's a propaganda stunt by the Israeli Government to ensure that everyone is talking again about October 7th and detracts from the current starving and dying babies .

I agree. Trying to get them to watch videos of what happened is pathetic. Anyone with any sense knows what happened was barbaric and wrong. What are they trying to achieve with this? Is it like "We know we have murdered nearly 55000 people but forget them, LET'S TALK ABOUT US"!!!

Its like playing tit for tat. They really are showing themselves up here. The only excuse for killing so many Palestinians is videos of oct 7. They know what happened but it doesnt excuse what has happened since. Sorry if the truth hurts!!

‘Let’s talk about us’ for victims of October 7th?

They are people not the state.

If anyone cares to look up the definition of terrorist, it states clearly acts of violence to achieve a political or ideological goal.

I find it extremely jarring that anyone supporting Palestine is referred to as a terrorist supporter. I am not offended personally, as I find it a joke of a comeback - alongside, being called anti-semitic... But why are some so cynical about Greta's actions, but not about the IDF's, when it comes to aid?

Global reporting states it has been blocked for months now, yet many on here are focused on one young woman.

Either we care about aid getting in or we don't - whatever the route. If we care at all, surely, any publicity about the blockage of aid to those who desperately need it, is what matters. My understanding is that there are no such issues in Israel, and nobody there is starving or in need of the very very basics.

No, I will not be finding anything for you because on the 8th of June you asked for evidence of tanks being used on civilians. I provided links to articles and an interview with a doctor and you did not have the decency or basic etiquette to even reply.

I was mentally contrasting 22 year old Greta with ex hostage Mia Schem who is about the same age but a world apart in experience.

Horror for horror... and....

I have no skin in the game, but images of the lifeless bodies of babies and children with limbs blown off will stay with me until my dying day.

I have every sympathy for the Israelis who want to live in peace alongside Palestinians. I am with the Jews worldwide who abhor the actions of this Israeli government, but nothing justifies what has been done to these defenceless people in Gaza.

People all over the globe feel the same, it isn't down to Hamas propaganda, it is that things aren't hidden anymore.

Israel, had the whole world behind them after October 7 2023, but the support is lost. I don't know anyone in real life who feels the same as some posters on here. It isn't about anything other than what is no longer tolerable and fair.

Seeing what is left of a nation so wretched, unable to save their children, let alone fight back in any way.... obliterated, totally fucked...

Calling people terrorist sympathisers simply supports what we already feel and know.

I won’t be on here for almost a month while I’m away as I don’t want to put a dampner on it.

Is that a promise?

I just remembered Dame Maggie Smith playing Violet Crawley 😂

Terrorist supporters are called that when they support terrorists. Its perfectly possible to support Palestinians without supporting terrorists. As so many of the people murdered on 7 October were actively engaged in doing.

On this silly boat there were people who actively supported terrorists and terrorist positions such as Rima Hassan who claimed the Bibas family were killed by Israel and blaming Israel for 7 October.

Thiago Avila attended Nasrallah's funeral and refers to Israel as 'the zionist entity' calling 'zionists' the 'real terrorists' and Hezbollah as 'freedom fighters'. He also posted an admiring photo of himself with plane hijacker Leila Khaled. There's much more if you look him up.

Everyone on that boat knew about his background as he has not been shy about broadcasting his hatred for Israel and support for terrorists.

Very similar as to when @HellsBalls insisted that no tents had been bombed at all. When provided with links there was no response.

That's awful. If all that yiu claim.is true about those on the boat then they are clearly supporting terrorists!

Israel did not have the whole world behind them on 7 October. This blatant misinformation. There were celebrations around the world. I saw them with my own eyes here. Numerous organisations turned a blind eye and did NOT issue statements in support. Others immediatelty started casting doubt on tbe vveracity of reports. Others immediately talked of legitimate resistance

Agree. Well said.