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Conflict in the Middle East

Freedom Flotilla

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Badh · 06/06/2025 23:11

Thought this might be worth its own thread. The freedom flotilla The Madleen was getting close to Gaza but seems to have made a diversion, as it was the closest boat to answer a distress call. They seem to also have four Sudanese asylum seekers on board who were trying to escape the Libyan coast patrol.

The UK and France are asking Israel for its safe passage.

The tracker is here but is in and out of action.
https://freedomflotilla.org/ffc-tracker/

More details here, although the latest detour is not covered in the article.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-navy-gears-up-to-block-high-profile-protest-ship-headed-for-gaza/amp/

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SharonEllis · 10/06/2025 11:56

Whatsinanamehey · 10/06/2025 11:54

Do you not read the news? How can you not know that Israel have been bombing tented areas? (may I add areas that they instructed civilians to evacuate to and called them 'safe zones)

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/ohchr-opt-press-release-05dec24/

Carpet bombing is a specific accusation. No evidence of carpet bombing in that link.

NotABottie · 10/06/2025 11:59

YourOnMute · 10/06/2025 11:45

They were all accused of being in some way associated with terrorism. All of them. In fact it is very common for people who challenge the status quo to be so. And it was very common in the past.
And yes, the suffragettes too.

You are continuing to equate the suffragettes with Hamas.

Please do go and watch the Oct 7th videos and then come back and confirm your position.

IloveSootyandSweep · 10/06/2025 11:59

YourOnMute · 10/06/2025 11:46

That's your interpretation. Attacking is not limited to physical violence.

Agree
and I assume, like me and many others, you also watched the situation as it happened as you have given a clear description of the events as they unfolded.

SharonEllis · 10/06/2025 12:03

YourOnMute · 10/06/2025 11:50

Can you please explain where someone (and I presume you mean me) equated "the behaviour of Hamas over the years with figures like these, especially after 7 October".
Thanks

No I wasnt directing it specifically at you, a more general point about the regularity with which the 'one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter' comes up, yes, usually in response to Hamas or previous/othef Palestinian terrorists - who else would we be talking about on this board?

I suspect you're right, I can't be arsed to check but on this particular occasion it may have been a reference to the terrorist sympathisers involved in this silly stunt, rather than specifically hamas fighters themselves. I dont think it makes a very material difference to the argument, myself.

quantumbutterfly · 10/06/2025 12:05

YourOnMute · 10/06/2025 11:45

They were all accused of being in some way associated with terrorism. All of them. In fact it is very common for people who challenge the status quo to be so. And it was very common in the past.
And yes, the suffragettes too.

Force teaming hamas and the suffragettes? seriously?

NotABottie · 10/06/2025 12:09

IloveSootyandSweep · 10/06/2025 11:59

Agree
and I assume, like me and many others, you also watched the situation as it happened as you have given a clear description of the events as they unfolded.

Climate activist Greta is apparently currently on a flight to France. Looks well.

Would you regard an ‘attack’ as the suggestion she and her fellow activists watch the Oct 7th videos?

NotABottie · 10/06/2025 12:22

YourOnMute · 10/06/2025 01:45

Not to be a pedant, but to me having drones flying in close quarters, horrible sounds being played, substance being sprayed on the boat, soldiers coming on board and ordering you to throw your phones overboard and to leave your boat with them sounds like an attacked. You don't only have to be shot, bombed, physically assaulted and rolled over by a tank to experience an attack.

Did they not livestream the drones, horrible sounds being played, substance being sprayed on the boat, before they threw their phones overboard?

Where did you get they were ordered to do that? There is clear video of them saying ‘ditch the phones’ or something similar before anyone came on board.

1dayatatime · 10/06/2025 12:23

As a side note I'm curious as to what will happen to the yacht.

It was British registered but instead of flying the red ensign it was flying a Palestinian flag. Because of this legally the UK can seize the yacht and equally has no obligation to request protection of either it or its passengers.

Twiglets1 · 10/06/2025 12:50

Vivi0 · 10/06/2025 11:44

I can well imagine being intercepted by the army of any country would be a frightening experience for anyone.

But it doesn’t mean they were attacked. They were evidently not attacked.

No, they weren't attacked.

And they already knew that they would be intercepted before reaching Gaza.

They had been told in no uncertain terms that they would not be allowed to dock in Gaza but they continued with the journey knowing that.

Twiglets1 · 10/06/2025 12:51

NotABottie · 10/06/2025 12:09

Climate activist Greta is apparently currently on a flight to France. Looks well.

Would you regard an ‘attack’ as the suggestion she and her fellow activists watch the Oct 7th videos?

Edited

Who suggested that she flew to France?

Sweden?

TheignT · 10/06/2025 13:07

Twiglets1 · 10/06/2025 12:50

No, they weren't attacked.

And they already knew that they would be intercepted before reaching Gaza.

They had been told in no uncertain terms that they would not be allowed to dock in Gaza but they continued with the journey knowing that.

Hostile forces boarded their vessel uninvited. What is that if it isn't an attack?

Twiglets1 · 10/06/2025 13:13

All becomes clear ... she is flying to Sweden via France, according to the Independent.

Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg has left Israel after being arrested for attempting to break the country’s 18-year naval blockade of Gaza.

Israel’s foreign ministry posted two pictures of the 22-year-old activist on board a plane. They said the flight would take her back to Sweden via France.

At least four of the 12 activists arrested on board the Gaza-bound, UK-flagged Madleen flotilla are expected to be deported on Tuesday, according to Israeli broadcaster Kan.

The group were picked up off the coast of Egypt earlier on Monday morning and taken to the Israeli port of Ashdod, where they were detained. They had been attempting to take a symbolic amount of aid into Gaza.

Kan reported that eight of the activists had refused to sign their deportation papers, meaning they could not be immediately deported.

“Those who refuse to sign deportation documents and leave Israel will be brought before a judicial authority, in accordance with Israeli law, to authorise their deportation,” the Israeli foreign ministry wrote on X.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/greta-thunberg-israel-gaza-flotilla-madleen-deport-live-updates-b2766890.html

NotABottie · 10/06/2025 13:13

Twiglets1 · 10/06/2025 12:51

Who suggested that she flew to France?

Sweden?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/06/10/greta-thunberg-deported-by-israel-madleen/

Seems like flight was some hours ago.

Vivi0 · 10/06/2025 13:15

TheignT · 10/06/2025 13:07

Hostile forces boarded their vessel uninvited. What is that if it isn't an attack?

They were prevented from entering an active war zone by the country who is at war.

The distortion and manipulation here is really disturbing.

No wonder people give this board a wide bearth.

HellsBalls · 10/06/2025 13:15

1dayatatime · 10/06/2025 12:23

As a side note I'm curious as to what will happen to the yacht.

It was British registered but instead of flying the red ensign it was flying a Palestinian flag. Because of this legally the UK can seize the yacht and equally has no obligation to request protection of either it or its passengers.

It was flying the Red Ensign, but the Palestinian flag was the prominent one.

Twiglets1 · 10/06/2025 13:16

Poor Greta is really suffering now, Israel has released an image of the despondent climate campaigner, who appears to be in the back row of the plane in an economy seat which can’t recline.

MushMonster · 10/06/2025 13:16

Martymcfly24 · 10/06/2025 10:02

Pity their intelligence wasn't good enough to actually find Hamas operatives instead of just carpet bombing refugee tents.

If Israel had the best Intelligence Agency in the world:
Hamas would not exist
If they ever took off by any means, they would have been quenched

Why? Because Gaza is a rather small portion of land. It has been under Israel's control for years. Since they retired from Gaza, a bit less, but Israel is still in control of Gaza's borders.

But, there are enough testimonies and recognition from government officials of Israel that they thought of Hamas existance as a positive, on its early days, as they thought it helped them towards their own goals- avoid the formation of a united Palestine.
Why is no one asking Netanyahu about that? And now he is arming IS and ISIS related gangs, in Gaza.
So much worry about Greta.
So little about what those in power are doing and the consequences of their actions.
This ship motive was to deliver aid.
But Netanyahu's, Hamas' and Hezbollah's, amongst others, motives are so that in their pursuit they kill civilians, over and over and over. All of them do. None of them should be in power. None of them is doing this to defend their population. Not really. They do, all of them, have agendas that involve the suffering of injocent people. Yet, they get less criticism than Greta.

NotABottie · 10/06/2025 13:16

Cross posted.

Who on earth would refuse to be deported from an evil fascist, apartheid state which is currently carrying out a genocide and deliberately targeting babies though?

How odd.

DeSoleil · 10/06/2025 13:19

All of them -

Freedom Flotilla
EasternStandard · 10/06/2025 13:20

YourOnMute · 10/06/2025 11:45

They were all accused of being in some way associated with terrorism. All of them. In fact it is very common for people who challenge the status quo to be so. And it was very common in the past.
And yes, the suffragettes too.

Hamas are a proscribed terrorist organisation in the U.K. so I’d be wary of downplaying that online.

izthiszeend · 10/06/2025 13:56

NotABottie · 10/06/2025 11:54

Well if food was stockpiled up with enough to last for more than 3 months, in what world would people be starving?

If that wasn’t the case, there would be visible evidence of lots of people starving as there is in Sudan.

Where is the visible evidence from Gaza?

Do you have any?

So, you seem to know about the 3months blockade and you are ok with that.

IloveSootyandSweep · 10/06/2025 14:02

NotABottie · 10/06/2025 12:09

Climate activist Greta is apparently currently on a flight to France. Looks well.

Would you regard an ‘attack’ as the suggestion she and her fellow activists watch the Oct 7th videos?

Edited

I read somewhere they declined the offer to watch.
As it’s irrelevant to their cause of raising awareness of the current situation in Gaza now
( haven’t seen updates on whether they did )

IloveSootyandSweep · 10/06/2025 14:05

DeSoleil · 10/06/2025 13:19

All of them -

This is from someone called vivid prowess on X or something.
Any evidence Greta has stated she supports what happened on October 7th other than someone who has the Israeli flag on their feed.

IloveSootyandSweep · 10/06/2025 14:07

NotABottie · 10/06/2025 13:16

Cross posted.

Who on earth would refuse to be deported from an evil fascist, apartheid state which is currently carrying out a genocide and deliberately targeting babies though?

How odd.

I agree I find it very odd that 8 of them ( last time I read about this ) haven’t agreed to leave.
Im not so brave and believe they have already raised awareness

SomeWomanSomewhere · 10/06/2025 14:24

IloveSootyandSweep · 10/06/2025 14:07

I agree I find it very odd that 8 of them ( last time I read about this ) haven’t agreed to leave.
Im not so brave and believe they have already raised awareness

Not odd at all: they are refusing to sign papers that claim they "entered Israel illegally". Any solicitor worth their salt will generally tell you to never sign anything that amounts to a confession.

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