UK government - sanctions against Israeli cabinet members

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I think this is as far as the government should ever go if it does try and send some kind of signal to Israel. The idea of sanctions hurting every Israeli , including the families of the October 7th victims, would be simply wrong. To damage the economy of Israel at this time of war would be morally wrong and simply lead to other countries improving trade links.

Our government should not be beholden to a pro Palestinian mob and make long lasting commitments that would reward Hamas for one of the most terrible if not the most terrible terrorist event in history.

If he’s in jail he’s a terrorist

@Jujujudo What do you mean? I don’t know who that person is but you clearly seem to know. So do you have any evidence to call this person a terrorist? Or is it the mere fact that he’s in prison that makes him a terrorist?

Barghouti is serving 5 life sentences for murdering Israelis. So if he’s not a terrorist, he’s at least a murderer.

Goodness is that really the best option, someone's who has murdered 5 people.

“I promise you that more Israelis want to live peacefully alongside the Palestinians than don’t. Despite their fear and horror of what was done and the hostages etc. I only hope there are enough like minded Gazans, to help make this a reality.”

Why would you think most Israelis think this and then only hope that Palestinians do? Is that not a racist generalisation?

Here is a poll of West Bank Arabs and Jews, and Gazans. No- just for clarification - they didn’t interview everybody, only a tiny proportion, and so- your friends might not have been interviewed.

https://pcpsr.org/sites/default/files/Joint%20poll%2012%20Sept%202024%20English.pdf

Given that Israel is heavily armed by America, I suspect they’ll manage to keep killing Palestinians without the UK.

If it’s a tiny proportion then it’s not representative.
Also, over 1000 Gazan citizens (not militants) took part in the rape, burning, murder, pillaging kidnapping pogrom of Oct 7. How many Israeli citizens have indiscriminately targeted Gazans?

Christ. Some of these posts beggar belief. The guy is IN PRISON. Why or what or how is irrelevant. He shouldn’t be considered to run a country!!!!!!!

I presume you passed a maths exam of some sort prior to leaving school, but this is made me surprised at the extent of statistical innumeracy.

If this is typical of most people with just maths GCSE or olevel equivalent- it no wonder some employers find it difficult to find appropriately trained staff. STEM students clearly have some advantage.

Unless of course you are being purposefully obtuse

I agree that the genocide in ww2 was possible when the state did not exist.

and now Israel (and the US) are preventing Palestinians from having their state.
No wonder then we observe horrific crimes against Palestinians now.

If you think that the only people in Britain who think Israel should be sanctioned are a ‘religious minority’ you are going to be disappointed.

What happened on October 7th was horrific but that doesn’t give the Israeli government the justification to act in any way it sees fit in regards of international law. The whole point of sanctions is that they trickle down to the population. Israel is a democracy. If they don’t like the sanctions they can get rid of their government and replace it which puts them in a much better position than other countries that get sanctioned.

Blaming Hamas for every decision the Israeli government make because they are a terrorist organisation is getting tiresome. Israel is different. It gets more leeway than other countries for a reason but there needs to be a red line somewhere.

The size of a poll isn’t important in working out the reliability of the results it’s the sampling methodology that’s most important. You can have a large poll with poor sampling methodology or a small one (even smaller than the one quoted sometimes) that is representative of the population and the smaller one will be the more reliable every time.

I don’t know enough about the sampling quoted or the company that carried it out to comment, but repeatedly referring to the sample size isn’t really relevant.

Agree, they would be better looking at the questions asked and how they were framed, what was asked but more importantly what wasn't asked. Were they leading questions, open or closed and so on.

Afaik the poll was carried out by Pennsylvania State University which would suggest they have a robust code of ethics so no doubt it was carried out well.

Stop supporting terror.
No one is doing this, who is supporting terror? ,

Stop demonising Israel.
Every posters issue is with Netanyahu and his government. No one thinks ordinary Israelis are demons but yes I do believe Netanyahu is a nasty piece of work and Isrealis need to get rid.

So how do you achieve a statistically meaningful sample of 9000000 people- remind me please.

That would be one of the universities that was unclear whether calling for the genocide of Jews on campus was antisemitic and violated their code of conduct?

Cool!

If you would like to learn more:
https://www.nao.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2001/06/SamplingGuide.pdf

Is this the one you use or did you just Google it?

I know how statistical sampling works in my industry of course, but people are challengingly heterogenous. Collecting meaningful data for predictive purposes is a well paid job if you can do it well, though mistakes do happen.

But he represents the best and most realistic chance of a peaceful settlement between Israelis and Palestinians.
Lots of people who went on to become political leaders had their "pasts".
I guess it all depends on how important peace is to you.

Actually 56% of respondents said yes and that figure rose to 79% among people who identified as right wing.

”A majority, 56 percent, are sure of this. The figure rises to 79 percent, an overwhelming majority, among self-identified right-wingers.”

Ok then you should understand how you get the following -

“So how do you achieve a statistically meaningful sample of 9000000 people- remind me please.”

Why did you ask then?