Heartbreaking news report from Gaza - Dr receives bodies of her children

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Many of you will already have read about this. Paediatric specialist Dr Alaa al-Najjar was on duty when the bodies of nine of her 10 children were received by her in the hospital, after a strike in Khan Younis hit her home.

This report just stopped me in my tracks. I don't know what to say beyond this. I cannot stop thinking about this poor woman tonight.

er children killed by a strike in Khan Younis. Guardian link

I already said at 6.40 today on this thread that you heard it on an interview.

It was more the fact that it was implied that it could have been any old untrustworthy rubbish channel.
But to be fair the response is usually well we can't trust Hamas. Not trying to throw stones.
I feel like a few things that I have said have grown legs on the behalf of people repeating them. I'm this or that. I stated X when I clearly say I heard.
I've stated I didn't realise. I've always tried to chat here in good faith, as much as I can.
I've stated all the time how much I hate all the violence and how I admire Israelis who are speaking up against Gaza, being humanitarian shields.
Anyway I woke up today just so sick of it all.

It is possible to feel desperately sorry for Palestinian civilians caught up in this and believe at the same time that Hamas are predominantly to blame for both starting and continuing the current war, when they should have surrendered a long time ago and released the hostages. I'm not absolving Israel of all responsibility for their actions during the war, some of which may later be proven to be war crimes - not at all!

And it's a truth that we can't trust Hamas. They lie (again, not saying the IDF haven't lied as well). It's very, very hard to get to the truth of events unfolding in Gaza. I just wish people would acknowledge they have to take reports coming out of Gaza with a pinch of salt. Hamas control the media there, and yes I know it would be easier to get more accurate news if Israel allowed foreign journalists in but they don't. That's a different topic.

I'm with you though - I feel sick of it all too. And I do believe that you are debating in good faith (I am too, for the record, though some people may not think so).

I haven’t seen anyone reference Hamas or any Hamas affiliated sites as a news source - I have seen some questionable Zionist sites like that “honest reporting” shared on one of the boards but most people who post in support of Palestinians’ human rights have shared links like the BBC, the Independent, the Guardian, Washington Post etc… these are all respected international broadsheets that have very strict guidelines when it comes to reporting and verifying sources.

For about the hundredth time, sites like the Guardian and Al Jazeera have been reporting things they got directly from Hamas. Without questioning it's reliability and without waiting to get a statement from the IDF or GHF.

Hamas control the media in Gaza - and some sources we like to think are factual like The Guardian are just parroting what they say.

To quote you @Twiglets1

Well here it comes......

In your opinion! Just because you say so and you dont find them reliable doesn't mean we all have to agree with you.

You can say it a thousand times, it still remains your opinion and nobody on here is obliged to agree with you.

For someone who asks others to please debate politely, it would be nice if you followed your own advice @Twiglets1

For the benefit of @Whatsinanamehey & @RandomWordsThrownTogether

Every time the media such as Sky News reports a story including says Hamas-run Gaza health ministry, that means it has come from Hamas.

27 Palestinians killed by Israeli fire while waiting for aid distribution, says Hamas-run Gaza health ministry

Where was I rude?

Everything that comes out Gaza on the Palestinian side is sourced from Hamas or their supporters, so they are the source.

I see you referred to ‘questionable Zionist sites’. Not sure what you mean by that but the use of the word ‘Zionist’ in that context rather gives your game away.

Honest Reporting is exactly that btw, it was set up to do that, backed up with facts. Please point out where it’s reporting has been incorrect like the sources you quoted has been.

The BBC has strict guidelines when reporting and verifying sources? Are you having a laugh?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/05/how-much-hamas-official-son-paid-for-bbc-gaza-documentary/

People complain that independent media is not allowed into the Gaza Strip.

People agree that Hamas are a terrible oppressive organisation

But they refused to accept that news coming out of Gaza is from Hamas???

Presumably they think that it is the toothfairy

some sources we like to think are factual like The Guardian are just parroting what they say.

I was disagreeing with this. I do read the guardian and they certainly don't just parrot what Hamas says. Their reporting includes a wide range of sources including many Israeli sources.

Well not all their reports about Gaza include a wide range of sources and if they did I would not have cancelled my financial support to The Guardian.

And sometimes they have reported incidents as caused by Israel when they don’t know who caused them because no one does.

People complain that independent media is not allowed into the Gaza Strip.
Absolutely

People agree that Hamas are a terrible oppressive organisation
Yes

But they refused to accept that news coming out of Gaza is from Hamas???
Do they? Or are you oversimplifying things?

Presumably they think that it is the toothfairy
Pretty patronising

The majority of posters get their news from msm sources whether it be news radio or broadsheets. They trust these sources because they adhere to the journalist code of ethics. They trust them to pull together all evidence available to form a picture of what happened. Are you suggesting the only source people can trust is the IDF and Israeli government? Because if you are do you not find it slightly suspicious that the Israeli government have set it up that way and are discrediting all other sources?

There is no evidence independent of Hamas (or the IDF) coming out of the Gaza Strip

I do understand Israel’s rationale in not letting in ‘independent media’ into Gaza. From what we’ve seen so far, how would unbiased reporting be ensured when most of the media was, from the beginning of the war, and still is taking Hamas truth as THE truth and would it be feasible to let journalists be left to wander freely around Gaza with terrorists hiding on every corner? How can they report without bias if they don’t know if they’re speaking to members/supporters of Hamas and the other terrorist groups when they are dressed as civilians or under duress? Who would they blame if they were killed or injured (considering the atrocities carried out on Oct 7th) when Israel is held responsible for their protection under international law. If they’re embedded with the IDF for protection, there will be cries of bias. This is not a normal war being fought under normal rules of engagement from Hamas’s side because they are err……. a terrorist organisation!

They have let military experts in though, who can give much more of expert opinion on how the war is being fought than a journalist, but few media sites seem interested in what they have to say funnily enough, I mean have they even been reported in MSM?

These articles are interesting. Especially the 2nd one.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-rush-to-blame-israel-is-bad-for-journalism/

https://jakewallissimons.substack.com/p/israel-should-let-reporters-into

There are independent sources within Gaza - eye witnesses, medical professionals aid workers and so on. It is the task of professional war correspondents to sieve through different sources to build a picture (think I'm repeating myself here). Is it perfect and faultless? No but at the moment it's the best we've got.
Suggesting everything we're quoting is just Hamas is frankly wrong and simplistic. I don't think you really believe all the news sites we've been relying on for decades for our news are now simply repeating Hamas propaganda with zero interrogation

Thank you.

The second article was very interesting. I tend to agree that Israel would be better to let journalists in with the IDF, though I can see why they don't.

The Spectator one I couldn't read as I don't have an account and am wary of subscribing to too many news sources. I just subscribed to Reuters the other day.

Not concerned about Jake Williams Simons bias, the editor of the Jewish Chronicle? Interesting

Go to N Korea and ask a person whether they support the regime.

It's an interesting article, I hope people on here read it.

You are free to point out it could be biased which you have done. However, I didn't notice any obvious misreporting in that article.

I did read it.

You are free to point out it could be biased
It is.

I didn't notice any obvious misreporting in that article.
It's a biased opinion piece not a news article.

Not much point debating this further with you there appears to be a lack of some basic criteria thinking skills