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Conflict in the Middle East

The Children Starve First

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Municipal · 21/05/2025 20:43

I wanted to open a space to reflect on something that’s been haunting me.

I've noticed in reports from Gaza that children are dying of starvation at shocking rates — even more than adults. At first I wondered how this could be, given that children need less food than adults. But I’ve since learned that children are actually the first to die in famine situations.

Here’s why:

  • Children have smaller bodies but higher nutritional needs per kilogram, especially during growth spurts. They need regular, balanced intake to maintain development.
  • Malnutrition hits them faster — their energy stores are smaller, and their bodies have less ability to adapt to a lack of nutrients.
  • Their immune systems weaken rapidly, making them far more likely to die from diseases that an adult body might fight off.
  • Infants and toddlers can’t chew tougher emergency rations or go without water as long, and breastfed babies suffer if their mothers are dehydrated or malnourished.
  • The UN says that in every famine, the first to die are the smallest and weakest.
The stories of babies dying in their mothers’ arms — not from bombs or bullets but from hunger — are unbearable. I can’t stop thinking about the terror and anguish these parents must feel. How helpless it must be to watch your child fade away slowly, knowing you have nothing left to give them.

I know we talk about current events, about war, politics, sides — but surely, we can unite around this: no child should starve to death in their mother’s arms.

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Twiglets1 · 24/05/2025 22:52

Stripes56 · 24/05/2025 22:48

Hamas have a lot to be guilty of, and so have Israel. But at this point, with Hamas decimated - can’t see why Israel needs to allow such little aid into Gaza. Doesn’t seem a necessary military tool.

I agree with your point about humanitarian aid and am relieved that belatedly they are now allowing aid back into Gaza. It does need to be increased though.

quantumbutterfly · 24/05/2025 22:58

YourOnMute · 24/05/2025 22:42

Do you honestly believe that the entire population of Palestine are Hamas members? Really?
Was the entire Catholic Northern Irish population IRA members?
And actually - are you a real person? Are you a parent?
(And again, for the third time, please don't infer from my posts).

Is that what I said?
No.
You're extrapolating meaning that just isn't there.

YourOnMute · 24/05/2025 23:29

Apologies, must have picked it up from you

quantumbutterfly · 24/05/2025 23:37

So easily influenced?

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 25/05/2025 00:23

quantumbutterfly · 24/05/2025 23:37

So easily influenced?

quantumbutterfly · Yesterday 19:24

I was under the impression they thought they were going to paradise.

TheignT · Yesterday 19:15

And how many are children.

Films of starving babies on Sky news tonight. There must be a special place in hell for people causing that.

You have revealed how callous and dismissive you are to the deaths of children, frankly it's disturbing. So I'm not sure who YOU are accusing of being easily influenced it's clearly you by Netanyahu and his genocidal rhetoric

quantumbutterfly · 25/05/2025 00:40

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 25/05/2025 00:23

quantumbutterfly · Yesterday 19:24

I was under the impression they thought they were going to paradise.

TheignT · Yesterday 19:15

And how many are children.

Films of starving babies on Sky news tonight. There must be a special place in hell for people causing that.

You have revealed how callous and dismissive you are to the deaths of children, frankly it's disturbing. So I'm not sure who YOU are accusing of being easily influenced it's clearly you by Netanyahu and his genocidal rhetoric

There must be a special place in hell for people causing that.

but do crack on with the accusations.

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 25/05/2025 00:54

quantumbutterfly · 25/05/2025 00:40

There must be a special place in hell for people causing that.

but do crack on with the accusations.

I was under the impression they thought they were going to paradise
So who were you referring to here ? Me and others assumed it was the starving children that the post you were responding to mentioned, if that's not the case you may want to clarify so people are not accusing you in the wrong. I only respond to what you post.

quantumbutterfly · 25/05/2025 01:37

You leapt to that conclusion. I'm just another one of those internet randoms saying 'but hamas' & 'release the hostages', that are derided as heartless on a regular basis.
I never understood the mentality that would tear down posters of Israeli babies taken by hamas with the words 'what about the palestinians'. To me they were all just kids.
I've stated my position numerous times over the past 596 days.

Twiglets1 · 25/05/2025 06:46

Odras · 24/05/2025 22:51

For what’s happening right now? I largely blame the allies of Israel yes, for letting it get to this.

Hamas are a terrorist group. Israel always overreact. The only people acting inexplicably for me are Israeli allies and the Arab countries who should have proposed a plan sooner. The rest was predictable.

So just because Hamas are a terrorist group who "always react" (bit of an understatement) you absolve them of all responsibility for October 7th?

You can blame the allies of Israel if you want. But personally, I don't feel like the UK for example is more responsible than the group who triggered the whole thing by carrying out a massacre of innocents at a music festival.

Odras · 25/05/2025 07:11

You read my post wrong on the react bit. No of course not. Hamas are responsible for 7/10. Everyone is responsible for what they have done.

Twiglets1 · 25/05/2025 07:23

Article in The Telegraph today: Hamas fighters ‘not paid for three months’ because of Israeli aid block

Hamas has not paid its fighters for three months due to Israeli restrictions on humanitarian aid preventing the group seizing and selling supplies, according to reports.

Members of the al-Qassam brigades, Hamas’ military wing, have not received any pay since around February, a source from within the terror group told the London-based Arabic newspaper Asharq Al-Awsat.

Hamas’s civil workers were said to have received a reduced salary equivalent of $250 four months ago, which “sparked resentment among employees”. It is not clear if they have been paid since.

Moumen Al-Natour, a Palestinian lawyer from the Al-Shati camp in central Gaza, told the Wall Street Journal last month that the cash-strapped terror group had “a big crisis” on its hands.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/05/24/hamas-fighters-not-paid-three-months-israeli-aid-blockade/

TheignT · 25/05/2025 07:28

quantumbutterfly · 24/05/2025 19:24

I was under the impression they thought they were going to paradise.

No I don't think Netanyahu and his brave soldiers think they are going to paradise.

Twiglets1 · 25/05/2025 07:34

TheignT · 25/05/2025 07:28

No I don't think Netanyahu and his brave soldiers think they are going to paradise.

They don't, it is Hamas who talk about those getting killed in their war being martyrs.

TheignT · 25/05/2025 07:38

Twiglets1 · 24/05/2025 22:30

Hamas were stealing aid long before the war started. It shouldn’t have been sparse at that time as millions of pounds worth was being donated by the international community and sent into Gaza. However, Hamas did loot a lot of it and it’s plain to see where it went - on underground tunnels networks and weapons - while the local people remained trapped in poverty.

There would be zero starvation at this current time if Hamas hadn’t planned & carried out the 7th October massacre.

Where do you start though? If Jews hadn't introduced the idea of terrorism in 1947 Hamas wouldn't exist. If the British had stuck around in 1948 to set up the UNs plan for two states then it could all have been different. The 6 day war etc etc. Which date shall we pick? Which dead civilian from either side, which dead British soldier.

I suppose we could go back to Hitler and the Nazi genocide of Jews, maybe Israel would never have existed. Or the pogroms. Where to start.

It's time to stop the childish who started it and lets see who's grown up enough to stop it without babies dying.

TheignT · 25/05/2025 07:39

Twiglets1 · 25/05/2025 07:34

They don't, it is Hamas who talk about those getting killed in their war being martyrs.

Well I was talking about the special place in hell for people who starve babies to death not martyrs.

Twiglets1 · 25/05/2025 07:44

TheignT · 25/05/2025 07:39

Well I was talking about the special place in hell for people who starve babies to death not martyrs.

I was just responding to your post that I don't think Netanyahu and his brave soldiers think they are going to paradise and basically agreeing that they would not use terms like the dying going to paradise or being martyred. * *

Twiglets1 · 25/05/2025 07:49

TheignT · 25/05/2025 07:38

Where do you start though? If Jews hadn't introduced the idea of terrorism in 1947 Hamas wouldn't exist. If the British had stuck around in 1948 to set up the UNs plan for two states then it could all have been different. The 6 day war etc etc. Which date shall we pick? Which dead civilian from either side, which dead British soldier.

I suppose we could go back to Hitler and the Nazi genocide of Jews, maybe Israel would never have existed. Or the pogroms. Where to start.

It's time to stop the childish who started it and lets see who's grown up enough to stop it without babies dying.

We do seem to go round in circles about who started it historically (though it's obvious who triggered the current conflict that led to the current food crisis).

Agree that we should move on to who is going to stop it but you wouldn't expect the winning side in a war to stop, would you? Israel are achieving their aims so I think the onus is really on Hamas to surrender as it is obvious now that they are defeated.

TheignT · 25/05/2025 08:05

Twiglets1 · 25/05/2025 07:49

We do seem to go round in circles about who started it historically (though it's obvious who triggered the current conflict that led to the current food crisis).

Agree that we should move on to who is going to stop it but you wouldn't expect the winning side in a war to stop, would you? Israel are achieving their aims so I think the onus is really on Hamas to surrender as it is obvious now that they are defeated.

Guess we should have surrendered at Dunkirk. I wonder how the world would look? I guess I'd never have been allowed to marry my black husband because he wouldn't have come here in1948. My kids and GC wouldn't exist. I wonder what the other changes would have been

Twiglets1 · 25/05/2025 08:11

TheignT · 25/05/2025 08:05

Guess we should have surrendered at Dunkirk. I wonder how the world would look? I guess I'd never have been allowed to marry my black husband because he wouldn't have come here in1948. My kids and GC wouldn't exist. I wonder what the other changes would have been

Weird post.

Is that your way of saying Hamas shouldn’t surrender?

Seems strange to me anyone would want the war to continue.

TheignT · 25/05/2025 08:18

Twiglets1 · 25/05/2025 08:11

Weird post.

Is that your way of saying Hamas shouldn’t surrender?

Seems strange to me anyone would want the war to continue.

I want the war to end but I don't think Netanyahu does. I think the only thing stopping him is public opinion about killing the hostages and let's face it the IDF have killed more than one of them. I think once the last hostages are released there will be no restraint and Gaza will be bombed out of existence.

Twiglets1 · 25/05/2025 08:24

Netanyahu has far less incentive to end the war than Hamas don’t you think?

He is achieving his war aims & winning in his terms. They are not winning under any definition & not getting much support from their allies either. All they are achieving by continuing is more deaths.

Odras · 25/05/2025 08:52

Yes you are totally right. This is the problem all along. There isn’t enough incentive to end the war. That’s why external countries needed to make the cost of continuing greater.

sualipa · 25/05/2025 08:57

TheignT · 25/05/2025 07:38

Where do you start though? If Jews hadn't introduced the idea of terrorism in 1947 Hamas wouldn't exist. If the British had stuck around in 1948 to set up the UNs plan for two states then it could all have been different. The 6 day war etc etc. Which date shall we pick? Which dead civilian from either side, which dead British soldier.

I suppose we could go back to Hitler and the Nazi genocide of Jews, maybe Israel would never have existed. Or the pogroms. Where to start.

It's time to stop the childish who started it and lets see who's grown up enough to stop it without babies dying.

Both sides have done awful, verifiable things let’s not pretend otherwise. But what gets missed so often is the deep, generational trauma, especially on the Palestinian side. There's a whole unspoken history there that still drives so much of what’s going on now.

I was just reading about George Habash who was a Palestinian Christian, oddly enough who founded the PFLP. He was only 10 when he had to take part in the Lydda death march, and his sister died during it. Can you even imagine? That kind of thing doesn’t just go away it stays in families, in communities.

Of course the Israeli side has massive trauma too from the Holocaust, from living under constant threat, from all the wars. Both peoples are hurting. Traumatised, really. And traumatised people don’t always make the best decisions that’s not to excuse anything, but just to say that a lot of this isn’t rational anymore, it’s generational grief playing out again and again with bloody and terrible rsults.

And sadly, when trauma doesn’t get dealt with, it just gets handed down. Round and round it goes. It’s just heartbreaking and to be frank I have no idea what the answer is but continuing in this way is no answer for anyone.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_expulsion_from_Lydda_and_Ramle

quantumbutterfly · 25/05/2025 10:25

sualipa · 25/05/2025 08:57

Both sides have done awful, verifiable things let’s not pretend otherwise. But what gets missed so often is the deep, generational trauma, especially on the Palestinian side. There's a whole unspoken history there that still drives so much of what’s going on now.

I was just reading about George Habash who was a Palestinian Christian, oddly enough who founded the PFLP. He was only 10 when he had to take part in the Lydda death march, and his sister died during it. Can you even imagine? That kind of thing doesn’t just go away it stays in families, in communities.

Of course the Israeli side has massive trauma too from the Holocaust, from living under constant threat, from all the wars. Both peoples are hurting. Traumatised, really. And traumatised people don’t always make the best decisions that’s not to excuse anything, but just to say that a lot of this isn’t rational anymore, it’s generational grief playing out again and again with bloody and terrible rsults.

And sadly, when trauma doesn’t get dealt with, it just gets handed down. Round and round it goes. It’s just heartbreaking and to be frank I have no idea what the answer is but continuing in this way is no answer for anyone.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_expulsion_from_Lydda_and_Ramle

I don't disagree, and many efforts have been made over the years to broker peace. They are not helped by the Iranian theocracy's stated aim to wipe out Israel through it's proxies. There's certainly been talk about banning Iranian carriers coming into the UK, for many reasons, not least of which is that it arms Russia in return for Ukrainian grain. Geopolitics eh?

Those who know and care, can see that if Israel falls then Iran will finish what Hitler made such efforts to do. Pretty much all the Jewish people in the region are in Israel after expulsion from surrounding countries.

Hamas are losing their grip on Gaza, they know it, the Gazans who want them out, know it. But they see themselves as martyrs and have made that decision for everyone around them too.
I'm not privy to Israeli combat intelligence, I can see that terrible things have happened in Gaza, I have more faith in Israeli society's self reflection on that, than on a society controlled by hamas.

TheignT · 25/05/2025 10:32

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 25/05/2025 00:23

quantumbutterfly · Yesterday 19:24

I was under the impression they thought they were going to paradise.

TheignT · Yesterday 19:15

And how many are children.

Films of starving babies on Sky news tonight. There must be a special place in hell for people causing that.

You have revealed how callous and dismissive you are to the deaths of children, frankly it's disturbing. So I'm not sure who YOU are accusing of being easily influenced it's clearly you by Netanyahu and his genocidal rhetoric

I've condemned Netanyahu and the starving of children. Not sure what you are reading or making up.