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Conflict in the Middle East

The Children Starve First

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Municipal · 21/05/2025 20:43

I wanted to open a space to reflect on something that’s been haunting me.

I've noticed in reports from Gaza that children are dying of starvation at shocking rates — even more than adults. At first I wondered how this could be, given that children need less food than adults. But I’ve since learned that children are actually the first to die in famine situations.

Here’s why:

  • Children have smaller bodies but higher nutritional needs per kilogram, especially during growth spurts. They need regular, balanced intake to maintain development.
  • Malnutrition hits them faster — their energy stores are smaller, and their bodies have less ability to adapt to a lack of nutrients.
  • Their immune systems weaken rapidly, making them far more likely to die from diseases that an adult body might fight off.
  • Infants and toddlers can’t chew tougher emergency rations or go without water as long, and breastfed babies suffer if their mothers are dehydrated or malnourished.
  • The UN says that in every famine, the first to die are the smallest and weakest.
The stories of babies dying in their mothers’ arms — not from bombs or bullets but from hunger — are unbearable. I can’t stop thinking about the terror and anguish these parents must feel. How helpless it must be to watch your child fade away slowly, knowing you have nothing left to give them.

I know we talk about current events, about war, politics, sides — but surely, we can unite around this: no child should starve to death in their mother’s arms.

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Namechangedformyanswer · 23/05/2025 13:58

AIBUHere · 23/05/2025 00:46

That is the sub narrative on here though isn’t it. Anyone who questions or tries to correct the anti Israel propaganda, dehumanises Palestinians, wants BABIES to starve and die, and is of course inhumane, racist and devoid of all empathy themselves.

They just don’t want to hear it. They want an Israel hate echo chamber just for themselves and they had one for a long time going by previous threads.

💯 it's why I mainly avoid it, visiting less and less.

AIBUHere · 23/05/2025 14:16

TheignT · 23/05/2025 08:48

I think there is propaganda on both sides. What we do know is the IDF lie. They lied about killing the paramedics, they tried to hide the evidence and they said it was lies and then the video was found. I can't trust what the IDF say and that's on them not me

And Hamas (and their supporters) are the bastions of truth?

AIBUHere · 23/05/2025 14:28

Odras · 23/05/2025 00:16

But at the end of the day, on a parenting site in particular: I think we can all agree that no child should be starved to death.

I think that goes without saying.

Some posters like to accuse other posters of words they haven’t said or even intimated in their posts though.

I think it’s odd that on a parenting site, in particular, there are over a thousand threads obsessing over a war in a far away country, repeating every little bit of SM propaganda, and dedicated for the most part in vilifying the only Jewish State, which was the victim of one of the world’s worst terrorist attacks and which started this war, and labelling their Army predominately made up of young Jewish soldiers, monsters.

Municipal · 23/05/2025 14:40

Nothing can be said to take away the fact that Israel was blocking aid. Nothing.

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quantumbutterfly · 23/05/2025 14:47

AIBUHere · 23/05/2025 14:28

I think that goes without saying.

Some posters like to accuse other posters of words they haven’t said or even intimated in their posts though.

I think it’s odd that on a parenting site, in particular, there are over a thousand threads obsessing over a war in a far away country, repeating every little bit of SM propaganda, and dedicated for the most part in vilifying the only Jewish State, which was the victim of one of the world’s worst terrorist attacks and which started this war, and labelling their Army predominately made up of young Jewish soldiers, monsters.

Indeed. Not to mention the kids in the kibbutzim and the nova festival, and the bomb shelters. Or the kids left in cars on the highway after their parents had been killed by roaming gunmen. The kids who thought hiding in portaloos or ambulances at a music festival would save them !!! The kids who hid in abandoned cars at the festival site because there was nowhere to go and were found by civilian looters who handed them to gunmen or killed them themselves.

It's a bloody horror show and I can't get over the fact that people in my country and others celebrated it and still feel that way.

Katiesaidthat · 23/05/2025 14:52

PickAChew · 21/05/2025 21:20

Presumably they would shoot them down.

Accidentally...

Igotjelly · 23/05/2025 14:58

quantumbutterfly · 23/05/2025 14:47

Indeed. Not to mention the kids in the kibbutzim and the nova festival, and the bomb shelters. Or the kids left in cars on the highway after their parents had been killed by roaming gunmen. The kids who thought hiding in portaloos or ambulances at a music festival would save them !!! The kids who hid in abandoned cars at the festival site because there was nowhere to go and were found by civilian looters who handed them to gunmen or killed them themselves.

It's a bloody horror show and I can't get over the fact that people in my country and others celebrated it and still feel that way.

Oh for god sakes no one is celebrating October 7th here. It was an atrocity, clearly. It does not however excuse what has happened since. Surely no one can say the Israeli response has been proportionate.

BelleHathor · 23/05/2025 14:58

Katiesaidthat · 23/05/2025 14:52

Accidentally...

And then investigate themselves and find themselves innocent.

quantumbutterfly · 23/05/2025 15:06

Igotjelly · 23/05/2025 14:58

Oh for god sakes no one is celebrating October 7th here. It was an atrocity, clearly. It does not however excuse what has happened since. Surely no one can say the Israeli response has been proportionate.

Yes apparently God was invoked a lot. God hasn't given their opinion on the matter though, I don't think they want to get involved.

Mylegishangingoff · 23/05/2025 15:13

AIBUHere · 23/05/2025 14:28

I think that goes without saying.

Some posters like to accuse other posters of words they haven’t said or even intimated in their posts though.

I think it’s odd that on a parenting site, in particular, there are over a thousand threads obsessing over a war in a far away country, repeating every little bit of SM propaganda, and dedicated for the most part in vilifying the only Jewish State, which was the victim of one of the world’s worst terrorist attacks and which started this war, and labelling their Army predominately made up of young Jewish soldiers, monsters.

labelling their Army predominately made up of young Jewish soldiers, monsters.

Cry me a river. War crimes, crimes against humanity, rape, sexual assault, torture, forced starvation, enforcing apartheid, defending terrorist settlers.

sualipa · 23/05/2025 15:16

quantumbutterfly · 23/05/2025 08:08

7/10 was unique. 9/11 was unique.
The UK has experienced nothing on that scale or barbarity. (even considering 7/7 and Ariana Grande - and one of those was home-grown inflamed by rhetoric- the government would have had to attack northern England, some might say it does in it's own way)

I really believe Hamas had no illusions about the response their actions would provoke from the Israeli leadership, much of its population, and its supporters and that was precisely the point. Their tunnels, weapons, and stockpiles of food were designed to support a long-term guerrilla war, with the stated aim of either victory or martyrdom. Hamas has explicitly declared that all civilians who die in the conflict are martyrs and has celebrated their deaths as such.

Therefore, the harder Israel prosecutes this war and the more its actions impact innocent civilians the more it ultimately plays into Hamas's strategy. The resulting erosion of global support for Israel is already significant and could have profound long-term consequences.

quantumbutterfly · 23/05/2025 15:42

sualipa · 23/05/2025 15:16

I really believe Hamas had no illusions about the response their actions would provoke from the Israeli leadership, much of its population, and its supporters and that was precisely the point. Their tunnels, weapons, and stockpiles of food were designed to support a long-term guerrilla war, with the stated aim of either victory or martyrdom. Hamas has explicitly declared that all civilians who die in the conflict are martyrs and has celebrated their deaths as such.

Therefore, the harder Israel prosecutes this war and the more its actions impact innocent civilians the more it ultimately plays into Hamas's strategy. The resulting erosion of global support for Israel is already significant and could have profound long-term consequences.

Possibly, though I still see a lot of sympathy for Israel's situation.
Neighbouring Arab leaders were disgusted by what they were shown of 7/10 and would probably have dealt with the situation more brutally, with no risk of dissenting voices internally.
Slightly surprised that hamas leaders are managing to avoid the shit sticking to them especially after the remarks about breeding more martyrs.

AIBUHere · 23/05/2025 16:00

quantumbutterfly · 23/05/2025 15:42

Possibly, though I still see a lot of sympathy for Israel's situation.
Neighbouring Arab leaders were disgusted by what they were shown of 7/10 and would probably have dealt with the situation more brutally, with no risk of dissenting voices internally.
Slightly surprised that hamas leaders are managing to avoid the shit sticking to them especially after the remarks about breeding more martyrs.

Well not really surprising as Hamas as the bad guys were not the focus of the war from the beginning, even in the immediate aftermath of Oct 7th. Israel was. It’s almost as if Oct 7th never happened.

What were the chants at the mass global protests within days? They weren’t calling for Hamas to surrender.

I’ve even read comments that Israel had no right to retaliate!

quantumbutterfly · 23/05/2025 16:07

AIBUHere · 23/05/2025 16:00

Well not really surprising as Hamas as the bad guys were not the focus of the war from the beginning, even in the immediate aftermath of Oct 7th. Israel was. It’s almost as if Oct 7th never happened.

What were the chants at the mass global protests within days? They weren’t calling for Hamas to surrender.

I’ve even read comments that Israel had no right to retaliate!

Which many, many people see and disagree with. It's not an organised movement in the same way as the anti-Israel mob is, it didn't feel necessary as a majority opinion, the last 594 days have been an eye-opener.

Kakeandkake · 23/05/2025 16:21

Kakeandkake · 21/05/2025 21:09

Why has someone voted that you are unreasonable? On a parenting site someone thinks you are unreasonable for saying no child should starve to death in their mother's arms. Mind boggling

A UN official said whilst he drove through Gaza last week, he could see thin and malnourished Palestinians desperately pointing towards their mouths, indicating they were hungry. I find this so harrowing when there are nine thousand trucks of aid waiting at the border which haven't been given permission by Israel to enter.

If these are adults, where does that leave the children who deteriorate much quicker?

They have been witnessing women giving birth whilst starving and the hospitals don't even have any food to feed them. The miscarriage rate has risen drastically because of hunger and trauma.

How can anyone with a sound mind vote that the OP is unreasonable?

User37482 · 23/05/2025 16:31

I thought aid trucks are going in, it’s been on the news. Not enough but they are going in.

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 23/05/2025 16:37

AIBUHere · 23/05/2025 14:28

I think that goes without saying.

Some posters like to accuse other posters of words they haven’t said or even intimated in their posts though.

I think it’s odd that on a parenting site, in particular, there are over a thousand threads obsessing over a war in a far away country, repeating every little bit of SM propaganda, and dedicated for the most part in vilifying the only Jewish State, which was the victim of one of the world’s worst terrorist attacks and which started this war, and labelling their Army predominately made up of young Jewish soldiers, monsters.

vilifying the only Jewish State
No! Vilifying the Israeli government, their actions and their far right extremist politicians. No countries actions, policies and governments should ever be above criticism and using the fact that it is a Jewish state as a get out clause is pathetic.

labelling their Army predominately made up of young Jewish soldiers, monsters.
No! Labelling their soldiers that are carrying out war crimes monsters. The ethnicity of the soldier dropping bombs, sniping kids, blocking aid is irrelevant.

Nice try with your DARVO no one is buying this any more.

Kakeandkake · 23/05/2025 16:40

User37482 · 23/05/2025 16:31

I thought aid trucks are going in, it’s been on the news. Not enough but they are going in.

It's a drop in the ocean considering how long the blockade has been and how little has gone in. No aid has reached the north of Gaza.

Igotjelly · 23/05/2025 17:32

The shit may well have stuck more to Hamas (as it should of course) had the Israeli government’s response not been so horrifically barbaric. The whataboutary on this thread are unreal. Should Oct 7 have happened, absolutely not. Should justice be served, yes. Should that just look like massacring women and children, absolutely fucking not.

Those shouting about us not blaming Hamas enough, do you honestly think the actions of the Israeli government and army are justified? Do you think the actions of settlers are justified? Do you think the arbitrary detention of men without charge is justified?

Igotjelly · 23/05/2025 17:37

The only way you get rid of an ideology like Hamas is through generations of peaceful coexistence and education or outright extermination. Given some seem to think every person in Gaza holds such ideology can we safely assume they support the annihilation or imprisonment of the whole population? I hear talk of moving them elsewhere and ethnically cleansing the strip, if the whole place is a death cult surely that just moves the problem?

MummytoE · 23/05/2025 18:09

quantumbutterfly · 23/05/2025 14:47

Indeed. Not to mention the kids in the kibbutzim and the nova festival, and the bomb shelters. Or the kids left in cars on the highway after their parents had been killed by roaming gunmen. The kids who thought hiding in portaloos or ambulances at a music festival would save them !!! The kids who hid in abandoned cars at the festival site because there was nowhere to go and were found by civilian looters who handed them to gunmen or killed them themselves.

It's a bloody horror show and I can't get over the fact that people in my country and others celebrated it and still feel that way.

How long did the October 7th attack last? How many victims? How long has the genocide been going? How many victims? October 7th was atrocious but you can't equate the two

sualipa · 23/05/2025 18:21

MummytoE · 23/05/2025 18:09

How long did the October 7th attack last? How many victims? How long has the genocide been going? How many victims? October 7th was atrocious but you can't equate the two

97% of the deaths since October 7th are Palestinian - Netanhayu qouted the bibilical Amalek - that was the plan.

God tells King Saul, through the prophet Samuel:
“Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.” (1 Samuel 15:3)

ButterfliesnWaterfalls · 23/05/2025 19:18

Disgusting. Always crying the victim narrative.

Defending Israel when there is no justification for the terror they are inflicting on the Palestinians.

ScrollingLeaves · 23/05/2025 20:00

Channel 4 News tonight is worth watching for the start which is about Gaza.The ex president of Israel, President Olmert came on. He does not blame Starmer, Macron, etc for their criticism of the present Israeli government which he shares.

You need to press ‘Restart’. Or watch it on Channel 4+1 now.

Seen 'Channel 4 News'? Watch it here on Channel 4:

www.channel4.com/programmes/channel-4-news?cntsrc=social_share_ios_channel_4_news

MissyB1 · 23/05/2025 20:09

ScrollingLeaves · 23/05/2025 20:00

Channel 4 News tonight is worth watching for the start which is about Gaza.The ex president of Israel, President Olmert came on. He does not blame Starmer, Macron, etc for their criticism of the present Israeli government which he shares.

You need to press ‘Restart’. Or watch it on Channel 4+1 now.

Seen 'Channel 4 News'? Watch it here on Channel 4:

www.channel4.com/programmes/channel-4-news?cntsrc=social_share_ios_channel_4_news

Just watched it, great interview.