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Conflict in the Middle East

The Children Starve First

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Municipal · 21/05/2025 20:43

I wanted to open a space to reflect on something that’s been haunting me.

I've noticed in reports from Gaza that children are dying of starvation at shocking rates — even more than adults. At first I wondered how this could be, given that children need less food than adults. But I’ve since learned that children are actually the first to die in famine situations.

Here’s why:

  • Children have smaller bodies but higher nutritional needs per kilogram, especially during growth spurts. They need regular, balanced intake to maintain development.
  • Malnutrition hits them faster — their energy stores are smaller, and their bodies have less ability to adapt to a lack of nutrients.
  • Their immune systems weaken rapidly, making them far more likely to die from diseases that an adult body might fight off.
  • Infants and toddlers can’t chew tougher emergency rations or go without water as long, and breastfed babies suffer if their mothers are dehydrated or malnourished.
  • The UN says that in every famine, the first to die are the smallest and weakest.
The stories of babies dying in their mothers’ arms — not from bombs or bullets but from hunger — are unbearable. I can’t stop thinking about the terror and anguish these parents must feel. How helpless it must be to watch your child fade away slowly, knowing you have nothing left to give them.

I know we talk about current events, about war, politics, sides — but surely, we can unite around this: no child should starve to death in their mother’s arms.

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DrPrunesqualer · 24/05/2025 21:37

mids2019 · 24/05/2025 05:17

Haven't seen that many starving Hamas foot soldiers. Obviously Hamas are making sure the food reaches the 'right' people first.

You might want to work in the Israeli / IDF intelligence department as they seem to be having a hard time of finding Hamas and yet you’ve seen enough of them to judge their bmi

?

Stripes56 · 24/05/2025 21:38

Twiglets1 · 24/05/2025 15:30

@Stripes56 I fear the war has emboldened Netanyahu & his government to the extent that they believe they will be able to implement Trumps plan or a version of it.

Personally I doubt the Israel leaders can imagine a peaceful two state solution after the war. Even before October 7th there was a lack of trust, hence all the money Israel spent on defensive measures like the Iron Dome. But now Hamas have managed to get past their defences & massacre 1,200 Israeli citizens… I think that’s the end to any hope that Palestine & Israel can co-exist peacefully.

Hope I’m wrong though.

But what is the alternative? Ethnic cleansing of Gaza, the West Bank? Is the future for Israel?

Will ethnic cleansing even give long standing peace to Israel? It is surrounded by countries of Muslims who have seen fellow Muslims killed en masse and normalisation has gone by the wayside.

The youth of today have seen images from Gaza. There is a short window of opportunity before the political atmosphere may look very different.

Netanyahu seems to gambling that chasing out the Palestinians will result in a stable Israeli state. But I’m not sure that the need for the iron dome will reduce.

Igotjelly · 24/05/2025 21:39

DrPrunesqualer · 24/05/2025 21:31

Clearly there are plenty of hardliners who put their head in the sand, believe every Israeli Govn and IDF lie and piece of propaganda unquestionably

Your comment here is a disgrace !! @quantumbutterfly

Im not reporting it, I think people need to see these sort of comments

I reported it but it hasn’t been deleted anyway so clearly doesn’t break any rules. No idea how though!

DrPrunesqualer · 24/05/2025 21:41

Igotjelly · 24/05/2025 21:39

I reported it but it hasn’t been deleted anyway so clearly doesn’t break any rules. No idea how though!

Islamophobia clearly not important enough

JaneJeffer · 24/05/2025 21:42

Igotjelly · 24/05/2025 21:39

I reported it but it hasn’t been deleted anyway so clearly doesn’t break any rules. No idea how though!

I didn’t report that remark but I have questioned MN moderation of these threads. No reply.

Twiglets1 · 24/05/2025 21:49

DrPrunesqualer · 24/05/2025 21:34

Whoever has blocked aid is at fault!

mmm….who could that be.
Oh yes
Netanyahu and the Israeli Government.

Or you could look at it like if Hamas hasn’t started the war on October 7th & then refused to release all the hostages together, there would have been no interruption to aid and no starving children.

So as I said, people disagree on who is responsible.

Martymcfly24 · 24/05/2025 21:50

JaneJeffer · 24/05/2025 21:42

I didn’t report that remark but I have questioned MN moderation of these threads. No reply.

Me neither because as said on the relationships thread when someone shows you who they are you should listen.

Stripes56 · 24/05/2025 21:54

Twiglets1 · 24/05/2025 21:49

Or you could look at it like if Hamas hasn’t started the war on October 7th & then refused to release all the hostages together, there would have been no interruption to aid and no starving children.

So as I said, people disagree on who is responsible.

But @Twiglets1
That’s why we have laws- that tell us what is right and wrong…
It’s so clearly wrong of Israel that it’s the one thing the international community agree and clearest suggestion of Israel breaking international law.

Twiglets1 · 24/05/2025 22:07

Stripes56 · 24/05/2025 21:54

But @Twiglets1
That’s why we have laws- that tell us what is right and wrong…
It’s so clearly wrong of Israel that it’s the one thing the international community agree and clearest suggestion of Israel breaking international law.

Israel were wrong to withhold humanitarian aid for so long & I’m not defending them for doing that. They have quite rightly had to bow to international pressure to reintroduce aid into Gaza.

But if we’re talking about who is most responsible for the current suffering in Gaza, my view ( & that of many others) is that Hamas are more responsible.

It’s a contentious issue and obviously people disagree, though some can see both points of view.

DrPrunesqualer · 24/05/2025 22:10

Twiglets1 · 24/05/2025 22:07

Israel were wrong to withhold humanitarian aid for so long & I’m not defending them for doing that. They have quite rightly had to bow to international pressure to reintroduce aid into Gaza.

But if we’re talking about who is most responsible for the current suffering in Gaza, my view ( & that of many others) is that Hamas are more responsible.

It’s a contentious issue and obviously people disagree, though some can see both points of view.

Gaza has always relied on aid
Netanyahu was always going to do this
He and his Government are the only ones to blame

Heres his plans just two weeks before October 7th 2023
^^

The Children Starve First
quantumbutterfly · 24/05/2025 22:20

Igotjelly · 24/05/2025 19:51

Do you have no empathy?

For hamas? no.

Twiglets1 · 24/05/2025 22:21

DrPrunesqualer · 24/05/2025 22:10

Gaza has always relied on aid
Netanyahu was always going to do this
He and his Government are the only ones to blame

Heres his plans just two weeks before October 7th 2023
^^

I know that Gaza has always relied on aid, that’s why I said they quite rightly had to bow to international pressure to reintroduce (not introduce) aid into Gaza.

You can say that Netanyahu and his government are the only ones to blame but that’s your opinion not a fact.

Some people would say that only Hamas apologists would absolve them from any responsibility at all for the current crisis in Gaza but that’s just their opinion too.

Stripes56 · 24/05/2025 22:23

Twiglets1 · 24/05/2025 22:07

Israel were wrong to withhold humanitarian aid for so long & I’m not defending them for doing that. They have quite rightly had to bow to international pressure to reintroduce aid into Gaza.

But if we’re talking about who is most responsible for the current suffering in Gaza, my view ( & that of many others) is that Hamas are more responsible.

It’s a contentious issue and obviously people disagree, though some can see both points of view.

Israel could continue the bomb the sh** out of Gaza without stopping the aid, so for this - they are purely at fault.

Aid would not be a racket on the black market if it was not sparse. It would not be worth Hamas stealing it - the Hamas that are left…

Yes Hamas have broken plentiful laws but they are not responsible for children reaching the point of starvation at this exact time.

Igotjelly · 24/05/2025 22:25

I can’t quite fathom how some posters seem incapable of accepting that both Hamas and the Israeli administration can be equally at fault for the plight of the Palestinian civilian population.

Twiglets1 · 24/05/2025 22:30

Stripes56 · 24/05/2025 22:23

Israel could continue the bomb the sh** out of Gaza without stopping the aid, so for this - they are purely at fault.

Aid would not be a racket on the black market if it was not sparse. It would not be worth Hamas stealing it - the Hamas that are left…

Yes Hamas have broken plentiful laws but they are not responsible for children reaching the point of starvation at this exact time.

Hamas were stealing aid long before the war started. It shouldn’t have been sparse at that time as millions of pounds worth was being donated by the international community and sent into Gaza. However, Hamas did loot a lot of it and it’s plain to see where it went - on underground tunnels networks and weapons - while the local people remained trapped in poverty.

There would be zero starvation at this current time if Hamas hadn’t planned & carried out the 7th October massacre.

YourOnMute · 24/05/2025 22:31

DrPrunesqualer · 24/05/2025 21:41

Islamophobia clearly not important enough

There are Palestinian Christians too. Always amazes me how they're not the right type for the American support. It's just racism.

Twiglets1 · 24/05/2025 22:33

Igotjelly · 24/05/2025 22:25

I can’t quite fathom how some posters seem incapable of accepting that both Hamas and the Israeli administration can be equally at fault for the plight of the Palestinian civilian population.

It’s a good thing if you can understand that both sides are at fault for the current crisis.

I do too though we disagree about which side is most at fault.

Odras · 24/05/2025 22:37

As I have said before my blame lies firmly with international governments. They knew there was an extremist element in the Israeli government. They knew the military strength of Gaza and the control over their borders.

When it’s over, they’ll say they were always against it.

Twiglets1 · 24/05/2025 22:38

Odras · 24/05/2025 22:37

As I have said before my blame lies firmly with international governments. They knew there was an extremist element in the Israeli government. They knew the military strength of Gaza and the control over their borders.

When it’s over, they’ll say they were always against it.

Does the blame lie only with international governments? None at all with Hamas?

quantumbutterfly · 24/05/2025 22:38

YourOnMute · 24/05/2025 22:31

There are Palestinian Christians too. Always amazes me how they're not the right type for the American support. It's just racism.

I didn't think hamas and palestinian islamic jihad recruited from the christian community. 'Christian' militia used to be a thing in Lebanon but no longer I think.

Stripes56 · 24/05/2025 22:41

Twiglets1 · 24/05/2025 22:30

Hamas were stealing aid long before the war started. It shouldn’t have been sparse at that time as millions of pounds worth was being donated by the international community and sent into Gaza. However, Hamas did loot a lot of it and it’s plain to see where it went - on underground tunnels networks and weapons - while the local people remained trapped in poverty.

There would be zero starvation at this current time if Hamas hadn’t planned & carried out the 7th October massacre.

How far do you want to take this? Shall we blame Netanyahu for allowing millions into Hamas’s hands..
Or further back…

YourOnMute · 24/05/2025 22:42

quantumbutterfly · 24/05/2025 22:38

I didn't think hamas and palestinian islamic jihad recruited from the christian community. 'Christian' militia used to be a thing in Lebanon but no longer I think.

Do you honestly believe that the entire population of Palestine are Hamas members? Really?
Was the entire Catholic Northern Irish population IRA members?
And actually - are you a real person? Are you a parent?
(And again, for the third time, please don't infer from my posts).

Twiglets1 · 24/05/2025 22:44

Stripes56 · 24/05/2025 22:41

How far do you want to take this? Shall we blame Netanyahu for allowing millions into Hamas’s hands..
Or further back…

Only if you’re determined to blame Israel for everything even Hamas not protecting their own people but rather keeping them impoverished and now at war.

Stripes56 · 24/05/2025 22:48

Twiglets1 · 24/05/2025 22:44

Only if you’re determined to blame Israel for everything even Hamas not protecting their own people but rather keeping them impoverished and now at war.

Hamas have a lot to be guilty of, and so have Israel. But at this point, with Hamas decimated - can’t see why Israel needs to allow such little aid into Gaza. Doesn’t seem a necessary military tool.

Odras · 24/05/2025 22:51

Twiglets1 · 24/05/2025 22:38

Does the blame lie only with international governments? None at all with Hamas?

For what’s happening right now? I largely blame the allies of Israel yes, for letting it get to this.

Hamas are a terrorist group. Israel always overreact. The only people acting inexplicably for me are Israeli allies and the Arab countries who should have proposed a plan sooner. The rest was predictable.