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Conflict in the Middle East

NHS staff told to stop wearing uniforms at pro-Palestinian demonstrations

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Twiglets1 · 11/05/2025 08:14

Article in The Telegraph yesterday (behind paywall):

NHS staff will be told to stop wearing their work uniforms on marches and displaying pro-Palestinian badges in the workplace as part of a crackdown on anti-Semitism in the health service.

Wes Streeting, the Health Secretary, revealed the plans as he vowed to snuff out “the appalling experiences of anti-Semitism affecting Jewish staff and patients” in the NHS.

The Health Secretary has encouraged trusts to roll out wider anti-Semitism training in the workplace. Such training has already been provided to some NHS organisations by the Anti-Semitism Policy Trust.

Following concerns over anti-Semitic activities in medical schools, Mr Streeting has said they should be adhering to wider university sector guidance on stamping out such behaviour.

In December, he vowed in The Telegraph to have medics struck off the medical register if they brought “racist or extreme views” about the Gaza conflict into the workplace.

A Department of Health and Social Care spokesman said: “Actions speak louder than words, which is why we are working with the NHS to put concrete measures in place to stamp out discrimination and protect Jewish staff and patients.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/05/10/nhs-streeting-staff-uniforms-protests/

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BreezyBertha · 20/05/2025 10:17

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More holocaust inversion. Shame on you.

Did the Jewish people start a war with the Nazis by massacring, raping, injuring and kidnapping thousands of Germans, including babies and children? What did they have to lay down their arms and surrender for? They didn’t have any! Would it have made any difference to the Nazis plan to commit genocide against them if they had? Most Jewish people were exterminated without a fight anyway.

Why hasn’t Hamas surrendered? Where is your handwringing about that?

ssd · 20/05/2025 13:30

I absolutely rebuff any accusations of holocaust inversion. Shame on you, trying to use that against me.
Where is your sympathy for the 52000 people dead in gaza, the starving children, the babies who will die within 48 hours unless proper food is allowed in, the communities destroyed, lives ruined?
I don't know why hamas hasn't surrendered, how the hell would i know??
All i know is people are on the brink of being destroyed and we are sat watching it and it is wrong!!!

ScrollingLeaves · 20/05/2025 15:25

mids2019 · 17/05/2025 07:17

The base wearers in the NHS do not include those that purely empathetic reasons for displaying the badge but also want to show support for a people in an asymmetric conflict whose desire is the abolition of Israel with the expulsion of worse of Jews. The Hamas manifesto is at least as bad as Mein Kampf. The problem is you obviously can't tell the difference or discern the motivation of the wearer. If the motivation is the latter reason can not people simply see how the Palestinian flag could cause offence especially towards Jews or people with relatives in Isra so who have October 7th and on going rocket attacks?

if the badge wearers truly had empathy and were professional they would think deeply about the impression these badges give to the most important people in the NhS, the patients and simply not wear them. I am sure all these Palesinian supporters in the current climate would probably get their bosses to do something of someone wore an Israeli state flag on their lapel (not that Jews probably would as most are quite rightly afraid) especially if there was a relatively high Muslim patient population.

it is quite simple why the badges are banned in the NHSq and NH S workers should not wear uniforms at maeches.

let's all over the rules; they are there for good reason.

asymmetric conflict whose desire is the abolition of Israel with the expulsion of worse of Jews

Do you not see that there is an extremist faction controlling Israeli actions through Netanyahu who is using these extremists to keep himself in power and that they desire the abolition of Palestine with the expulsion or worse of Palestinians? They do not only desire it - they are doing it right now.

Do you not know that Ben Givr or Smotrich actually said Hamas was useful to them?

BreezyBertha · 20/05/2025 15:39

ssd · 20/05/2025 13:30

I absolutely rebuff any accusations of holocaust inversion. Shame on you, trying to use that against me.
Where is your sympathy for the 52000 people dead in gaza, the starving children, the babies who will die within 48 hours unless proper food is allowed in, the communities destroyed, lives ruined?
I don't know why hamas hasn't surrendered, how the hell would i know??
All i know is people are on the brink of being destroyed and we are sat watching it and it is wrong!!!

So what did you mean by ‘Watching the ramping up
of Israel’s hostilities brings back echoes of the Nazi persecution’?

Obviously you know Jewish people were persecuted by the Nazis?

It seemed quite clear to me but please point out what I have misunderstood?

What makes you think I don’t have sympathy for the people in Gaza?

Although I admit I don’t have sympathy for the Hamas/PIJ operatives/supporters included in that 52,000 figure you quoted, but innocent people and children who were forced into a war by their leaders, who took absolutely no measures to protect them unlike every other government in the world, I do.

I also have sympathy for the families of, and the thousands of victims of Oct 7th, and the hostages, and the IDF soldiers (and all their families) who have lost their lives, some including their heads that were hacked off by Gazans, all those with life changing injuries and the thousands having to be away from their families to fight a very dirty war in unprecedented conditions while being demonised by the international community and supporters of the terrorist ideology that they are having to fight against.

mids2019 · 20/05/2025 15:45

There is as stated very good reason for NHS staff to be apolitical on duty. The politics is happening inside the house of commons where it should in a democracy.

The big fear as always is that we have limited influence over this conflict and we lose sight of this but allow anti semitism to fester as a result. There will be those who would exploit the current conflict to legitimise Jew hatred. This is wrong.

Martymcfly24 · 20/05/2025 19:03

mids2019 · 20/05/2025 15:45

There is as stated very good reason for NHS staff to be apolitical on duty. The politics is happening inside the house of commons where it should in a democracy.

The big fear as always is that we have limited influence over this conflict and we lose sight of this but allow anti semitism to fester as a result. There will be those who would exploit the current conflict to legitimise Jew hatred. This is wrong.

But not everyone obviously is exploiting the conflict, many are just really concerned about the babies that will starve to death over the next couple of days.

taxguru · 20/05/2025 19:39

Martymcfly24 · 20/05/2025 19:03

But not everyone obviously is exploiting the conflict, many are just really concerned about the babies that will starve to death over the next couple of days.

Then they can and should protest in other ways, rather than imposing political views in a workplace.

Martymcfly24 · 20/05/2025 19:58

taxguru · 20/05/2025 19:39

Then they can and should protest in other ways, rather than imposing political views in a workplace.

Ok?

I said that earlier.

Fairyliz · 20/05/2025 20:01

Twiglets1 · 11/05/2025 08:21

They shouldn't be.

As Wes Streeting said, "Staff should not be wearing uniforms on political protests, with the exception of protests against the Government about matters of health policy.”

Blimey that actually sounds like common sense. Are you absolutely sure it was said by a politician?

knitnerd90 · 21/05/2025 04:06

People in this thread have all failed to address the point that the government has to hold a strong line on this. The options will otherwise be:

  1. Allow people to wear NHS uniform to every demonstration
  2. Have the government decide which demonstrations are acceptable

Neither is going to go well. Streeting has decided correctly. It's not simply about how one feels about Gaza.

mids2019 · 21/05/2025 05:52

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TimeForATerf · 21/05/2025 06:01

Personal political views should never be brought into the workplace. I don’t want to know what the people treating me believe in, I don’t want them to know what I believe in. I will treat them with respect and appreciation and I expect them to care for me as a human being.

An NHS uniform devoid of any badges and an NHS lanyard is what I expect to see. And inside the hospital only.

RedToothBrush · 21/05/2025 07:43

knitnerd90 · 21/05/2025 04:06

People in this thread have all failed to address the point that the government has to hold a strong line on this. The options will otherwise be:

  1. Allow people to wear NHS uniform to every demonstration
  2. Have the government decide which demonstrations are acceptable

Neither is going to go well. Streeting has decided correctly. It's not simply about how one feels about Gaza.

This.

It's a really sensible policy which doesn't stop anyone from protesting but protects the patient / HCP balance and stops anyone from feeling like they may be treated poorly for coming from the wrong background.

Healthcare is supposed to be without prejudice and based on need - not conditional on you having the 'correct' political views.

40weeksmummy · 15/06/2025 15:24

The only flag allowed in UK should be UK flag. Especially schools, civil service, police, NHS, etc.
Lots of teachers in my son's school (state school, not private) have/had Palestinian flag sticker. I don't think they would let my son have sticker/ badge with Israel flag. I would be told to remove it straight away.

RedToothBrush · 15/06/2025 15:29

40weeksmummy · 15/06/2025 15:24

The only flag allowed in UK should be UK flag. Especially schools, civil service, police, NHS, etc.
Lots of teachers in my son's school (state school, not private) have/had Palestinian flag sticker. I don't think they would let my son have sticker/ badge with Israel flag. I would be told to remove it straight away.

How does that work when England and German Fans come to watch a match at Wembley?

I mean, I don't think political symbols have a place in the workplace, but I kinda draw the line at banning all flags but the UK one. I mean what happens to England, NI, Scotland and Wales flags?!

I can see your position being particularly problematic in NI.

What happens to me if I fail to surrender my EU and Dutch flags that I already have? Will I go to prison?

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