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NHS staff told to stop wearing uniforms at pro-Palestinian demonstrations

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Twiglets1 · 11/05/2025 08:14

Article in The Telegraph yesterday (behind paywall):

NHS staff will be told to stop wearing their work uniforms on marches and displaying pro-Palestinian badges in the workplace as part of a crackdown on anti-Semitism in the health service.

Wes Streeting, the Health Secretary, revealed the plans as he vowed to snuff out “the appalling experiences of anti-Semitism affecting Jewish staff and patients” in the NHS.

The Health Secretary has encouraged trusts to roll out wider anti-Semitism training in the workplace. Such training has already been provided to some NHS organisations by the Anti-Semitism Policy Trust.

Following concerns over anti-Semitic activities in medical schools, Mr Streeting has said they should be adhering to wider university sector guidance on stamping out such behaviour.

In December, he vowed in The Telegraph to have medics struck off the medical register if they brought “racist or extreme views” about the Gaza conflict into the workplace.

A Department of Health and Social Care spokesman said: “Actions speak louder than words, which is why we are working with the NHS to put concrete measures in place to stamp out discrimination and protect Jewish staff and patients.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/05/10/nhs-streeting-staff-uniforms-protests/

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Yassnass145 · 15/05/2025 00:37

BreezyBertha · 15/05/2025 00:29

Has there been any pro-Israel protests with NHS staff in uniform?

It’s disgusting it’s taken this long to tell them to stop tbh. They’ve been doing it since the start of the conflict and it was obviously condoned as they seem to have felt very comfortable publicly doing so. Some pressure must have been put on senior NHS leadership to stop it.

I guess they want to try to portray themselves as upstanding professionals while chanting inflammatory slogans through megaphones in support of a large scale terrorist attack against Jewish people while annoyingly banging drums.

I’d be extremely worried about needing medical care from the NHS if I was obviously Jewish, by name etc, having seen that.

I don’t doubt that there would have been an immediate crackdown if there was a large scale terrorist attack in the West and there were NHS staff protesting in support of the terrorists, not that any marches would have approved anyway you’d hope, unlike the ones approved on Oct 7th 2023 while the attack on Israel was actually still taking place.

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I think it's because healthcare workers aren't being targeting in Israel. In Gaza doctors and nurses are deliberately being murdered.

DrPrunesqualer · 15/05/2025 01:18

Yassnass145 · 15/05/2025 00:37

I think it's because healthcare workers aren't being targeting in Israel. In Gaza doctors and nurses are deliberately being murdered.

2 hospitals bombed yesterday in Gaza …more war crimes.

Twiglets1 · 15/05/2025 05:45

If we can just stick to the issue of NHS staff not wearing their uniforms at pro- Palestinian demonstrations it would be good. There is already an active thread where people are discussing the hospitals bombed in Gaza.

The NHS is an organisation based here, not in Gaza. Patients & visitors want the focus to be on the staff providing impartial care to everyone and not potentially judging them because they don’t share the same beliefs. So it’s right that staff shouldn’t be bringing politics into their work within the NHS.

There is no good reason for people to be wearing staff uniforms on marches and it’s right that they are now being told this is inappropriate. Equally, they can wear their pro Palestine badges all they want outside work but it’s not appropriate for healthcare workers to display them at work.

Even just from this thread it’s clear how the issue divides & upsets people so it’s better to keep it away from healthcare settings in the UK.

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UsernamesAreTaken · 15/05/2025 06:29

I think protesting to show solidarity with health care workers is powerful. If it's health and safety then maybe some other way of showing that they represent health care workers such as costumes then that should be OK. Badges at work can be left at home.

I think the whole point is that it's such a terrible genocide, one we will look back and be horrified that we let happen, so health care workers feel they cant be silent. It's not just differing political views. It's at a scale beyond belief that I don't know how people can just ignore it especially when our government is providing weapons.

Just because it's upsets people who post or form their views based on blatant misinformation shouldn't be a reason not to discuss it.

Whatsinanamehey · 15/05/2025 06:38

I feel abit conflicted over this one, on the one hand I can see some of the more measured arguments for those who agree with the health Secretary. On the other hand protesting in uniform at times can be powerful, for example there was a vigil by health care workers last year straight after their shift. It was a quiet vigil where each worker held up a card with the name of a healthcare worker killed in Gaza. It was done as a form of solidarity with them and very moving.

Twiglets1 · 15/05/2025 06:49

No one is questioning their right to protest @UsernamesAreTaken or expecting healthcare workers to be silent on issues that they feel strongly about.

To repeat the beginning of the article: NHS staff will be told to stop wearing their work uniforms on marches and displaying pro-Palestinian badges in the workplace as part of a crackdown on anti-Semitism in the health service.

What they do in their own time re protesting/wearing pro-Palestinian badges is completely up to them. Just keep your work uniform to wear at work.

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Whatsinanamehey · 15/05/2025 06:52

Are other 'political' badges also banned?

Whatsinanamehey · 15/05/2025 06:53

Because it's only right if they all are then.

Twiglets1 · 15/05/2025 07:02

Whatsinanamehey · 15/05/2025 06:52

Are other 'political' badges also banned?

According to this article on the letter Wes Streeting sent, "the badges that can be worn should only relate to professional qualifications".

NHS staff to be banned from wearing uniforms to pro-Palestine protests, says UK Health Sec

anglicanmainstream.org/article/nhs-staff-to-be-banned-from-wearing-uniforms-to-pro-palestine-protests-says-uk-health-sec/

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Twiglets1 · 15/05/2025 07:02

Whatsinanamehey · 15/05/2025 06:53

Because it's only right if they all are then.

I agree.

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mids2019 · 15/05/2025 07:10

I think it is self evident that healthcare workers would want to end pain and suffering for epople. Displaying a Palestinian flat is not doing that though; it can be interpreted as support for a people a section of whom wish the destruction of the Israeli state. This cannot be denied as you simply have to look at the Hamas manifesto and obviously their actions. Hamas do have widespread support in Gaza.

What would a Jewish person think therefore when Ill and vulnerable they are faced with a healthcare worker with a symbol of a people who hate them? Sorry it's a good decision to ban this obvious political symbol with all its implications.

MoserRothOrangeandAlmond · 15/05/2025 07:20

@Bfmammayour mam was clearly a hospital nurse. As a community nurse for the past 11 years if I need to nip to the loo in Tesco/asda/Sainsbury’s I will in my uniform as my job is in the community. I will also grab a drink on the go in my uniform.
when I worked at the hospital I went to and from work in my normal clothes.

I agree OP that NHS shouldn’t wear uniforms to marches etc. NHS staff should ‘remain impartial’ of course you can have your own personal opinions but you are told not to plaster it all over social media etc.
It’s drilled into you from day one.
I have known one nurse who had strong political views put it all over social media and she was dismissed.

mids2019 · 15/05/2025 07:24

The same healthcare workers who wear these badges and go on these marches probably won't have had any compunction to display any empathetic symbols after October 7th which is quite chilling frankly.

Sorry but you can't allow NHS workers to use their position and uniform to implicitly support a terrorist organisation whose aims are onbviois. The NHS constitution bans this.

MoserRothOrangeandAlmond · 15/05/2025 07:46

@mids2019I agree.
I work in an area where there is a large orthodox Jewish community.
As a healthcare professional you need to be impartial and treat everyone the same.

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 15/05/2025 07:59

mids2019 · 15/05/2025 07:10

I think it is self evident that healthcare workers would want to end pain and suffering for epople. Displaying a Palestinian flat is not doing that though; it can be interpreted as support for a people a section of whom wish the destruction of the Israeli state. This cannot be denied as you simply have to look at the Hamas manifesto and obviously their actions. Hamas do have widespread support in Gaza.

What would a Jewish person think therefore when Ill and vulnerable they are faced with a healthcare worker with a symbol of a people who hate them? Sorry it's a good decision to ban this obvious political symbol with all its implications.

Displaying a Palestinian flat is not doing that though; it can be interpreted as support for a people a section of whom wish the destruction of the Israeli state.

So by that token is displaying an Israeli flag showing support for war criminals and a government currently starving a population? I personally don't think it so you need to stop deligitimising the Palestinian flag, it is flown as a sign of solidarity with a population currently suffering horrendous atrocities, death and destruction. You have mentioned a couple of times that the flag is a sign you support hamas which is untrue and just a subtle way of discrediting any support for innocent civilians.

FWIW I don't think NHS staff should wear any symbols of anything on their uniforms but I do think as a group they should have platforms where they can show their solidarity for their fellow healthcare workers working in horrendous conditions in Gaza with little to no medical equipment or facilities, under constant bombardment and putting their own lives at immense risk daily.

MayMadness2025 · 15/05/2025 08:36

UsernamesAreTaken · 15/05/2025 06:29

I think protesting to show solidarity with health care workers is powerful. If it's health and safety then maybe some other way of showing that they represent health care workers such as costumes then that should be OK. Badges at work can be left at home.

I think the whole point is that it's such a terrible genocide, one we will look back and be horrified that we let happen, so health care workers feel they cant be silent. It's not just differing political views. It's at a scale beyond belief that I don't know how people can just ignore it especially when our government is providing weapons.

Just because it's upsets people who post or form their views based on blatant misinformation shouldn't be a reason not to discuss it.

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No one 'let it happen'. Do you actually believe you could stop it. The UK has no power to stop it. The marches won't stop it. Wars are awful.

Release of all hostages would actually mean that pressure would be to end conflict but hamas just hold onto them. Sinwar the current leader may or may not be dead, people like him don't want to end it.

MayMadness2025 · 15/05/2025 08:37

MoserRothOrangeandAlmond · 15/05/2025 07:46

@mids2019I agree.
I work in an area where there is a large orthodox Jewish community.
As a healthcare professional you need to be impartial and treat everyone the same.

This.

I cannot believe that NHS workers don't realise this.

UsernamesAreTaken · 15/05/2025 08:40

mids2019 · 15/05/2025 07:10

I think it is self evident that healthcare workers would want to end pain and suffering for epople. Displaying a Palestinian flat is not doing that though; it can be interpreted as support for a people a section of whom wish the destruction of the Israeli state. This cannot be denied as you simply have to look at the Hamas manifesto and obviously their actions. Hamas do have widespread support in Gaza.

What would a Jewish person think therefore when Ill and vulnerable they are faced with a healthcare worker with a symbol of a people who hate them? Sorry it's a good decision to ban this obvious political symbol with all its implications.

We need to stop conflating Israel with Judaism and that a government of a state that was built on the ethnic cleansing of indigenous Palestinians. Britain gave away a land they had no right to do so to Zionists who actually worked with the Nazis to bolster Israel. Since the creation of Israel hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were forcibly removed and guess what, the Zionists had their own militia to support their aims (Haganah).

See quote from Ben-Gurion on Dec 7, 1938, post Kristallnacht re the possibility of thousands of Jewish children being admitted into Britain:

"If I knew that it would be possible to save all the children in Germany by bringing them over to England, and only half of them by transporting then to Eretz Yisrael, then I would opt for the second alternative. For we must weigh not only the life of those children, but also the history of the people of Israel."

We need to stop conflating all Palestinians, the Palestinian flag, which all existed before Hamas, which is a symptom of Israel's occupation. Palestinian culture and history is being destroyed by Israel (a state).

With this level of ignorance and unlearning required, i think health care workers shouldn't wear badges because it will scare people who have just beleived years and years of lies.

MayMadness2025 · 15/05/2025 08:41

mids2019 · 15/05/2025 07:10

I think it is self evident that healthcare workers would want to end pain and suffering for epople. Displaying a Palestinian flat is not doing that though; it can be interpreted as support for a people a section of whom wish the destruction of the Israeli state. This cannot be denied as you simply have to look at the Hamas manifesto and obviously their actions. Hamas do have widespread support in Gaza.

What would a Jewish person think therefore when Ill and vulnerable they are faced with a healthcare worker with a symbol of a people who hate them? Sorry it's a good decision to ban this obvious political symbol with all its implications.

Totally agree. I find it hard to believe that people don't understand understand this. It's almost as if they want to make some individuals feel uncomfortable. PS Jewish people in the UK didn't start this conflict and cannot control the outcome, just as you or I cannot.

Comedycook · 15/05/2025 08:43

We need to stop conflating Israel with Judaism and that a government of a state that was built on the ethnic cleansing of indigenous Palestinians

What about the ethnic cleansing of the Jewish people from the me and na? Or is that just not trendy enough to give a shit about?

UsernamesAreTaken · 15/05/2025 08:44

MayMadness2025 · 15/05/2025 08:41

Totally agree. I find it hard to believe that people don't understand understand this. It's almost as if they want to make some individuals feel uncomfortable. PS Jewish people in the UK didn't start this conflict and cannot control the outcome, just as you or I cannot.

No, people in this country didnt start this genocide, but we can stop our government from selling arms to Israel, that end up killing innocent children, innocent people, health care workers and the list goes on.

Our government is complicit, and our country historically helped create it.

We can boycott and put pressure to stop the occupation and raise awareness of apartheid.

UsernamesAreTaken · 15/05/2025 08:49

Comedycook · 15/05/2025 08:43

We need to stop conflating Israel with Judaism and that a government of a state that was built on the ethnic cleansing of indigenous Palestinians

What about the ethnic cleansing of the Jewish people from the me and na? Or is that just not trendy enough to give a shit about?

Me and na?

No ethnic cleansing is OK, that's the whole point!!!

MayMadness2025 · 15/05/2025 08:50

UsernamesAreTaken · 15/05/2025 08:44

No, people in this country didnt start this genocide, but we can stop our government from selling arms to Israel, that end up killing innocent children, innocent people, health care workers and the list goes on.

Our government is complicit, and our country historically helped create it.

We can boycott and put pressure to stop the occupation and raise awareness of apartheid.

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So how does wearing a NHS uniform help do any of that? It really doesn't. What it does do is show Jewish people in their own country political alliances from individuals, who should just provide care to all equallywith no judgement.

Do all of what you want in non NHS uniform, that's your right. It's really not difficult.

Twiglets1 · 15/05/2025 08:51

MayMadness2025 · 15/05/2025 08:37

This.

I cannot believe that NHS workers don't realise this.

I’m sure most NHS workers do realise it - the reasonable ones.

Most just want to get on with their jobs & keep political activity/beliefs outside of the workplace.

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MayMadness2025 · 15/05/2025 08:53

Twiglets1 · 15/05/2025 08:51

I’m sure most NHS workers do realise it - the reasonable ones.

Most just want to get on with their jobs & keep political activity/beliefs outside of the workplace.

I agree
It's just some. Hence the need to tell all not to wear uniforms on marches, not to wear political or other slogans and badges. All treated the same way.

Do all the politics in your own time in your own clothing. You don't represent everyone in the NHS.