Anyone watched the Louis Theroux documentary

[Ninerina]

I knew that things were bad for the Palestinians but after watching the documentary I'm so disgusted by the 'settlers' the government of Israel and especially Daniella Weiss.
Palestinians are referred to as savages and camel riders by a rabbi!
Will we get a chorus of how Louis Theroux is anti- semitic now? The usual battle cry of the Israel supporters

Sometimes if a senior soldier is present he might tell them to behave but generally they are left to their own devices and it's really difficult. Especially when it's very hot and you have somewhere important to get to or you need to get home to pick your child from school. Some even eventually resort to begging the soldiers to let them go through.

Which poster is that?

But it's important to to know why they're there. They weren't just put up spontaneously to make Palestinians' lives harder

Wow this thread is getting confusing with all the arguing and posts and posters quoted

Recently read A Day in the Life of Abed Salama, was very illuminating on the day to day struggles Palestinian civilians face. For medical care specifically.

They've been failed again and again by the awful decisions of their leadership.

@LudvillasCave Like @Whatsinanamehey I’m tired of this debate & think we should get back to discussing the documentary.

I know @PollyPaintsFlowers wouldn’t have said Israelis are superior to Palestinians or anything like that. Maybe @OldSkuul said it I don’t know.

Yes - let’s just get back to the documentary please.

I haven't heard of this book before, sounds interesting Thanks might just purchase it.

It's quite... unflinching.

Standing together is a joint Jewish - Palestinian movement, whose volunteers sometimes try to help the Palestinians from settler attacks, despite coming under attack by the settlers themselves. They are a peace movement who are not afraid to call out wrongs on all sides.

Agree (expressed the same myself just a couple of posts ago!), unfortunately I think this derailing is the intention of some posters.

Would love to hear more thoughts on the documentary.

Why does a country's 'right to exist' trump another group of people's human rights?
Why does Israel's 'right to exist' mean it can subjugate, denigrate, destroy another group of people? Why don't they have any rights?
I don't get why people are demanding Theroux show the 'other side'
As the Palestinian man said in the doc, these people have come to HIS city where generations of HIS family have lived then taken over and decreed that they can't even walk down their own streets
The Israeli govt uses violence to assert their dominance. Some people honestly think the Palestinians should have meekly given up their homes, their land, their farms, their businesses and just vanished quietly.
It is racism, it is apartheid and it is certainly a genocide
And the world sees it

I often think this. How on earth can someone be pro one side or the other they’ve both committed atrocities and the only innocents are civilians on both sides who’ve done nothing more than vote in current political leaders

@Ninerina Well obviously Israel has a right to exist.

Regarding the documentary, I think most people are saying it was excellent. But that it could have been improved by being a bit more balanced in terms of things like highlighting the Israeli people protesting against the Settlers.

I can definitely be pro Palestinian citizens, and against the Israeli Government because of their constant bombing and starvation strategies. And I'm definitely in favour of a sovereign Palestinian state.

the one thing I didn't like is that Theroux makes a big deal about when settlers are American. The vast majority aren't. There's a bigger proportion of Americans amongst settlers than amongst Israelis as a whole but it's still very much a minority

60,000 (16%) are Americans rolling up from the most modern, powerful country in the world - which is incidentally backing up the killing and destruction of thousands of Palestinians with their bombs - and saying there is no such thing as a ‘Palestinian’ ( even though they have lived in the region for hundreds and thousands of years) “move over the land is ours”. That American with the gun was awful and his attitude is abhorrent.

Then there are modern Russians who flooded in from 1990.

All these incomers apparently have a right to live in the West Bank and push the Palestinian people living there out. They have ‘the right of return’ after 2000 years, Palestinians do not even have the right to stay on their own land let alone return even just 70 years later.

I do agree they should have talked more to those very brave Israelis who were helping the Palestinians. We need to hear what they think about all the issues.

That was one thing that stood out to me, the settlers living in tents made out of pallets and tarp and horse boxes and the Palestinians in the middle of a warzone still managing build and to make a home, even if they’re constantly repairing bullet holes. It’s eye opening. I wonder how many bricks the cost of their many machine guns would cover?

@stonecutter Palestine has no army, no navy, no airforce, zero military budget, all water electric etc all controlled by israel, 43% of it’s population is under the age of 14.

how dare you say it is a war/ conflict.

it is a genocide/ massacre.

Care to elaborate?

Why start a war then?

Also, not all water and electricity is supplied by Israel. Some of it, but not all.

Gazans would be a lot less reliant on Israel for water if Hamas hadn't dug up the pipework and used the parts to build rockets to fire at Israel. They can't even deny it, they are so sure of their cause they filmed themselves doing it for propaganda videos, to show how committed and hardworking the 'resistance' is

They didn't.
The level of denial you're in is incredibly unhealthy.

Israel are at war with Hamas not the civilians of Palestine.

Hamas has no chance of winning & could end it today. What are they waiting for?

Hamas did. Or are you denying that the October 7th massacre happened?