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Twiglets1 · 18/04/2025 06:44

Scirocco · 18/04/2025 06:24

There was never any realistic prospect of them doing so. Assuming your post above is aimed at me, there are many threads about how people despise Hamas. This thread is about the actions of the Israeli government and military. I'd actually been in the process of writing a new thread about the rejection of the ceasefire proposal as there didn't seem to be a specific space for discussion of the recent developments or lack thereof, when the article about Easter popped up in my newsfeed, so I came back to post that and of course have managed to lose what I was writing about the ceasefire proposal and rejection. As I'm now making breakfast and preparing to take DC out, my second attempt (unless someone else has started one) probably won't be much more than a link now. There has been plenty of condemnation of Hamas and other groups by people here.

I haven’t actually seen a lot of condemnation of Hamas by the anti Israel people on these threads.

My post above was aimed partly at you, also at others like @Martymcfly24 who are good to engage with because they do debate in a way that makes me listen to their point of view. I respect your opinions but also can’t understand why there is so little condemnation of Hamas in your posts. There are 2 sides in a war so to discuss the actions of one side while ignoring the actions of the other seems unbalanced.

I think a new thread about the rejection of the ceasefire proposal is a good idea.

Scirocco · 18/04/2025 06:53

I'm not anti-Israel, @Twiglets1 . I disagree with the actions of the Israeli government and military. There's a difference.

Twiglets1 · 18/04/2025 07:09

Scirocco · 18/04/2025 06:53

I'm not anti-Israel, @Twiglets1 . I disagree with the actions of the Israeli government and military. There's a difference.

Fair enough. Some people say “Israel” when what they mean is the Israel government/IDF but that may not be something you do.

Whatsinanamehey · 18/04/2025 08:36

Using visual evidence, satellite imagery, audio analysis and interviews with key witnesses, Sky News can present the most comprehensive picture of the incident so far.
Our findings contradict not only Israel's initial account of the attack, but its subsequent accounts as well.

I would really urge everyone to read so the truth of how these innocent people were murdered so brutally by the IDF can be known.

Whatsinanamehey · 18/04/2025 08:47

IDF claim: The vehicles were crushed by accident as they were moved off the road

What we know: The vehicles were only crushed after they had been moved off the road

Lie after lie after lie.

Twiglets1 · 18/04/2025 08:47

Whatsinanamehey · 18/04/2025 08:36

Using visual evidence, satellite imagery, audio analysis and interviews with key witnesses, Sky News can present the most comprehensive picture of the incident so far.
Our findings contradict not only Israel's initial account of the attack, but its subsequent accounts as well.

I would really urge everyone to read so the truth of how these innocent people were murdered so brutally by the IDF can be known.

I think from the Sky report it does look like a war crime was committed on that occasion. Probably further investigation is needed to ascertain who is more to blame, the IDF leadership or the soldiers who were on high alert & thought it justified to shoot anyone they deemed to be a risk.

Will be interested to follow this case as more details emerge.

Whatsinanamehey · 18/04/2025 08:52

Twiglets1 · 18/04/2025 08:47

I think from the Sky report it does look like a war crime was committed on that occasion. Probably further investigation is needed to ascertain who is more to blame, the IDF leadership or the soldiers who were on high alert & thought it justified to shoot anyone they deemed to be a risk.

Will be interested to follow this case as more details emerge.

Why did the senior leadership lie again to the world media after it was initially discovered?
Why did they detain the sole survivor and not admit they had detained him until three weeks later and not allowed anyone to meet him?
Why did they claim some were members of Hamas but showed no proof of such serious allegations despite being asked for it?
Lies, lies, lies. These lies have come from the top, not from some low lever soldiers.

Whatsinanamehey · 18/04/2025 08:53

Do you think these lies don't come from the top? The same way they lied to cover up the brutal murder of Hind Rajab which were also later found out.

Whatsinanamehey · 18/04/2025 08:54

They said none of them were shot at a close range which has also now been proven as a lie.

Whatsinanamehey · 18/04/2025 08:55

Every other day another hospital or school is bombed based on the same lies with little to no proof ever given.

PollyPaintsFlowers · 18/04/2025 09:06

OhCalmTheFuckDownMargaret · 15/04/2025 11:03

So far no evidence has ever been produced to substantiate the claims hospitals are being used as command centres by Hamas. The only proof being put forward appears to be 'because Israel says so'.

There's been lots of evidence, this is just one example

This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 6)
Twiglets1 · 18/04/2025 09:07

I will wait to see the full investigation @Whatsinanamehey to see whether the soldiers were carrying out instructions from higher up or went rogue.

PollyPaintsFlowers · 18/04/2025 09:08

Whatsinanamehey · 18/04/2025 08:55

Every other day another hospital or school is bombed based on the same lies with little to no proof ever given.

Edited

Another example

This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 6)
PollyPaintsFlowers · 18/04/2025 09:10

In addition to hiding in schools & using civilians as human shields, Hamas entered a school full of displaced Gazans in the north & brutally murdered a man who defended his nephew from being kidnapped to blackmail the kid's father. Hamas is a fascist terrorist group of criminals.

Not my words, they're from a Palestinian peace activist

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This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 6)
Twiglets1 · 18/04/2025 09:11

Whatsinanamehey · 18/04/2025 08:55

Every other day another hospital or school is bombed based on the same lies with little to no proof ever given.

Edited

It’s not “the same lies” every situation is different and sometimes buildings have to be destroyed in wars if there is reason to believe they present a danger. For example if buildings are used for storing weapons or in the case of Hamas where they build their tunnels under hospitals & schools.

PollyPaintsFlowers · 18/04/2025 09:13

Al Amal Hospital in Khan Younis, southern Gaza, where some of my injured family members were treated from IDF bombardment last year, has shut down today after staff stopped working and locked the facility down. Want to know why? Because the medical personnel were protesting against Hamas members taking over the Surgery Ward/Division and hiding there to protect themselves, endangering the entire facility.

The staff made the courageous decision, despite the immense need for medical surgeries, to stop operating the hospital and protect the facility, their patients, and their lives, to send a clear signal to Hamas and other terrorists: You have no place in a hospital, and you’re not welcome here. This heroic action is yet another step that’s part of a growing trend of small but growing local resistance to Hamas’s fascism and terrorism, which Palestinians in Gaza hold responsible for their complete annihilation in a useless war meant to prolong the rule of an Iranian militia in the coastal enclave.

This has happened time and again in medical facilities across Gaza, something that is illegal and immoral. And while I don’t want Israeli bombardment and targeting of hospitals anywhere in Gaza, international humanitarian law clearly states that the misuse of a hospital/medical facility to gain a military advantage or to shield military objectives from attack removes the protection for hospitals under IHL. In other words, Hamas’s thuggery, criminality, and terrorism give the Israeli government the excuse to target medical establishments in Gaza, something that, in turn, worsens the suffering of the civilian population in the coastal enclave.

Remember this whenever you hear or see people chanting for the “resistance.” Remember this when you see headlines that absolve the terror group of any responsibility for the systematic destruction of Palestinian lives and hope under the pretense of “fighting the occupation.”

By Ahmed Fouad Alkhatib, from the Realign for Palestine at the Atlantic Council

Whatsinanamehey · 18/04/2025 09:31

@PollyPaintsFlowers you are going to have to use reliable sources if you want people to take you seriously.

PollyPaintsFlowers · 18/04/2025 09:49

Whatsinanamehey · 18/04/2025 09:31

@PollyPaintsFlowers you are going to have to use reliable sources if you want people to take you seriously.

Just because they don't follow your narrative doesn't mean they're unreliable. Alkhatib has flown all over the world trying to bring the sides together and garner peace. What are your credentials?

Whatsinanamehey · 18/04/2025 10:09

PollyPaintsFlowers · 18/04/2025 09:49

Just because they don't follow your narrative doesn't mean they're unreliable. Alkhatib has flown all over the world trying to bring the sides together and garner peace. What are your credentials?

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Just echoing what I was told when using similar sources. If it's not ok for one side then why for the other?

PollyPaintsFlowers · 18/04/2025 10:16

Whatsinanamehey · 18/04/2025 10:09

Just echoing what I was told when using similar sources. If it's not ok for one side then why for the other?

Not sure what you're talking about. What are your credentials to discredit Palestinian sources on what's happening in Gaza? You said there was no proof, I provided some from well placed sources which you described as unreliable, why? Maybe instead of just echoing what you're told, make your own evaluations

Whatsinanamehey · 18/04/2025 10:17

Don't worry about me, I know what evaluations I should make. And your sources are not credible at all in my opinion.

PollyPaintsFlowers · 18/04/2025 10:18

@Whatsinanamehey why do you think you were told not to share information from Palestinian voices that don't follow a particular narrative? We all know Hamas is fighting a propaganda war, it's damaging to them when the truth gets out

PollyPaintsFlowers · 18/04/2025 10:20

Whatsinanamehey · 18/04/2025 10:17

Don't worry about me, I know what evaluations I should make. And your sources are not credible at all in my opinion.

Palestinian voices aren't credible to you? Are you Pro-Palestinian or do you just hate Israel? Are you so blinded by bias that you dismiss anything and everything even when it shows you may be wrong bout something? You can hate Israel but still accept that Hamas hides in hospitals

Whatsinanamehey · 18/04/2025 10:20

PollyPaintsFlowers · 18/04/2025 10:18

@Whatsinanamehey why do you think you were told not to share information from Palestinian voices that don't follow a particular narrative? We all know Hamas is fighting a propaganda war, it's damaging to them when the truth gets out

What are you talking about? Who told me not to share voices that don't follow a particular narrative? Whilst Al khatib has some good points that he makes, and worth listening to. His x feed is not a reliable source for Hamas using hospitals as a base. Can't you understand that?