This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 6)

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/08/idf-has-long-history-of-denying-involvement-in-civilian-killings

The utterly heartbreaking thing about starting these threads is how simple it is to find the opening link.

When will they stop?

Latest on Bob Vylan is that they have now been axed from a music festival taking place in Manchester this weekend and from an upcoming performance at a German music venue.

Their diary is unexpectedly empty if anyone would like to book them for weddings or anything.

Blaming Hamas is just deflecting.

They have also been axed from a music festival in France and there are calls for them to be dropped from Boardmasters in Cornwall later in the summer.

No - it’s pointing out that these bands can’t care that much about Palestinians or they would condemn Iran and its use of proxy terrorism to destabilise the Middle East .

Given the much younger audience at Boardmasters (plus last year's bad publicity on crowd control) they really need to drop Bob Vylan from Boardmasters.

I agree.

I thought Manchester would be more likely to allow them than Boardmasters which is an event aimed at a young audience as you say. Plus many of their parents (who are paying for the tickets in many cases) will get alarmed about it.

But that isn’t true. They just have a different perspective to you.

lots of organisations, people and governments largely blame Israel for the situation in Gaza.

Are you really so surprised, particularly in the context that these boys were raised, that they would support Palestine and see Israel as oppressors?

You may not agree with them but it doesn’t mean that they are not genuine.

Meanwhile...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gejed7wgeo.amp

The director of the hospital, his wife and five children were killed today after Israel bombed their house.

It's also been revealed that Israel used a 500lb bomb to hit the crowded cafe in Gaza which killed and injured many. It's one of the few remaining places where journalists would gather as there was Internet access.

The surrounding area was also full of civilians. Experts in international humanitarian law have said this would most likely be considered a war crime. To use a bomb like this in a crowded area where it is certain to kill and injure many innocent civilians.

Terrible. Also note from that article that there are now no functioning hospitals in the north. I imagine this is part of the plan to force people to move into ever smaller areas.

Whilst on the topic of medics being murdered it's worth mentioning that Channel 4 are airing Doctors under attack tonight at 10, it's a forensic investigation into Israels attacks on hospitals and allegations of the targeting and abuse of medics.

Sky have done a report on the failed Israeli - US GHF aid system. It is a shambles, a dealy shambles that have seen hundreds of Palestinians killed.

They found the days where more sites are operating, correlates with an increase in Palestinians killed.

https://news.sky.com/story/rise-in-gaza-deaths-linked-to-aid-distributions-by-controversial-group-13391481

Deadly*

@Whatsinanamehey I am not completely against the US GHF aid system (as many on here are and were from its inception). I understand why a new method of aid distribution had to be found in order to break one of the methods Hamas used for making money and controlling the local population.

But - I have been disappointed that that the Israel government have not built more of these centres throughout Gaza as they said at one time they would do. 4 centres for the whole of Gaza is not enough and leads to panic and chaos when they open to distribute aid.

Overall, I have to agree with you that they have been a bit of a deadly shambles which is a shame because I still think the idea was not a bad one to find a new method of distributing aid that Hamas couldn't control. In my opinion there should have been many more aid distribution centres spread more widely throughout Gaza and obviously, no shooting at civilians whatsoever.

The centres are often operating in combat zones. They have also been operating at times which contradict IDF orders. Four centres compared to four hundred under the UN.

Last night was reportedly horrific, with dozens killed whilst trying to reach the aid centres.

I have seen (unconfirmed) reports that if the ceasefire deal goes through, the old system (run by the UN) will be allowed to deliver aid again.

@Whatsinanamehey

"I have seen (unconfirmed) reports that if the ceasefire deal goes through, the old system (run by the UN) will be allowed to deliver aid "

If this is true then a ceasefire and a resumption of the UN aid will be critical to helping Hamas stay in power as they are fast running out of money:

www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/05/24/hamas-fighters-not-paid-three-months-israeli-aid-blockade/

No issue with the UN being allowed to deliver aid again as long as the Hamas militants leave Gaza.

But the UN delivering aid plus Hamas in the area is not a good combination.

Well It seemed to work before? Much better than the current "come here to get food so we can shoot you" shitshow.

No it didn’t work before in one very important regard - the humanitarian aid was an income stream for Hamas and we don’t want that, do we?

The last thing we wanted is for Hamas to have money to buy more weapons/build more tunnels etc.

The current system is not only inhumane and deadly for Palestinians, it also undermines what Israel perceive is a 'legitimate' response. The IDF have been forced to once again 'investigate' themselves after soldiers have come forward to say they have been ordered to shoot at aid seekers even when they don't pose a threat. A 130 aid charities have come together to demand an end to the GHF failed system.

This new system is not only lethal for the Palestinians, but also for Israel as it has exposed Israeli war crimes. Some soldiers have claimed they have been commanded by their superiors to shoot unarmed civilians who seek aid. One soldier went as far as saying it was like playing red light, green light with innocent Palestinians. And these shootings are relentless, they haven't stopped despite the IDF saying they will investigate.

This was just in the last 24 hours

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/38-people-said-killed-while-waiting-for-humanitarian-aid-in-gaza-overnight/#openwebComments

Everyone seems to agree with you that the current system is flawed (as was the previous one).

I know that like me, you are very much hoping for a ceasefire soon.

But I don’t know what you are trying to achieve by keep posting negative things the IDF have done or in some cases are just accused of doing.

This board is divided into people that already hate the IDF and others who hate what happens in war but think awful things happen in any war (not excusing actual war crimes that should be punished).