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Martymcfly24 · 13/05/2025 17:07

There will be no situation where we stop the war. A temporary ceasefire might happen, but we are going all the way.”

He also said his government was working to find countries who may be willing to take in Palestinians from Gaza.

“We’ve set up an administration that will allow them (Gaza residents) to leave but… we need countries willing to take them in. That’s what we’re working on right now,” a statement from Netanyahu’ office said.

The statement added that the prime minister estimated that “over 50% will leave” if given the option.

That man is evil personified. I feel great sympathy for people who are facing certain death in the coming days.

A land grab , a genocide, ethnic cleansing call it what you want but he is one bad person.
Fuck this.

Twiglets1 · 13/05/2025 17:09

Mylegishangingoff · 13/05/2025 15:12

When it gets to the point where you are banging on about a landmass not talking, pretending you don't know that Israel has been used as shorthand for the government the same way Russia is or Ukraine is, I'm over it, I'm bored. I wish you well but I'm not interested in any back and forths with you.

Ok but I think you would be annoyed if people stated using “Palestine” & “Hamas” interchangeably like they are the same thing.

Often it is appropriate just to use the term “Israel” but not where you are using speech marks and saying “Israel clearly stated…”

An individual said those things and it wasn’t hard for you to clear up who that person was.

Mylegishangingoff · 13/05/2025 17:29

Twiglets1 · 13/05/2025 17:09

Ok but I think you would be annoyed if people stated using “Palestine” & “Hamas” interchangeably like they are the same thing.

Often it is appropriate just to use the term “Israel” but not where you are using speech marks and saying “Israel clearly stated…”

An individual said those things and it wasn’t hard for you to clear up who that person was.

It was 2 individuals actually, a member of the democratically elected Israeli government and the head of COGAT. The 'individual' gallant was speaking as defence minister, his then role in the Israeli government. This isn't Bob from down the shops Twiglets, this wasn't an 'individual' mouthing off, this was Israelis in power making genocidal promises and plans that they kept. The promises that have led to Gaza being on the brink of famine, almost 20,000 children dead and many more maimed. The promises that people ignored, excused and clapped on for the past 18months. The genocidal promises and plans that you have excused as 'understandable'.

Twiglets1 · 13/05/2025 17:41

I don’t say that everything the Israel government and IDF have done is justifiable.

But that someone would use the rhetoric of obscene violence in response to obscene violence being committed against their people. That is what I would say is understandable.

ScrollingLeaves · 13/05/2025 22:38

Twiglets1 · 13/05/2025 17:41

I don’t say that everything the Israel government and IDF have done is justifiable.

But that someone would use the rhetoric of obscene violence in response to obscene violence being committed against their people. That is what I would say is understandable.

are the idea sometimes mooted that all Hamas need to do is release the hostages:

HOSTAGES/CEASE-FIRE: PM Netanyahu said Israel was committed to expanding combat operations in Gaza "in the coming days" in order to "subdue Hamas." He said that even if Hamas announced that it was willing to release more hostages, Israel would "receive them and then go in." He ruled out a cease-fire, saying, "There will not be a situation where we stop the war."
(Haaretz)

Twiglets1 · 14/05/2025 08:19

Netanyahu has changed his rhetoric from the beginning of the war @ScrollingLeaves as he used to say getting the hostages released was his top priority.

As I said before (possibly on another thread), his attitude seemed to change after the disgusting show when the first hostages were released, and the way Hamas & their supporters were claiming victory.

He may also have been influenced by the fact other countries didn’t seem minded to stop him in his efforts to destroy Hamas. All he heard was words, not actions. I honestly feel like many other countries are afraid of Hamas and want them destroyed too. That would partly explain the lack of government action to stop what he’s doing in Gaza.

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 14/05/2025 10:00

Twiglets1 · 14/05/2025 08:19

Netanyahu has changed his rhetoric from the beginning of the war @ScrollingLeaves as he used to say getting the hostages released was his top priority.

As I said before (possibly on another thread), his attitude seemed to change after the disgusting show when the first hostages were released, and the way Hamas & their supporters were claiming victory.

He may also have been influenced by the fact other countries didn’t seem minded to stop him in his efforts to destroy Hamas. All he heard was words, not actions. I honestly feel like many other countries are afraid of Hamas and want them destroyed too. That would partly explain the lack of government action to stop what he’s doing in Gaza.

He is a sociopath and a war criminal who always had the ambition to expand Israel at any cost. He has gotten braver since his friend Trump was elected as now he feels he is unstoppable.

Danielle Weiss has his aids phone numbers and boasts that she can contact him and other government officials, that they share her values and that she does what they would like to do if they weren’t constrained by law. She has said for decades she wants the lands cleared of Palestinians and also wants to expand Israel into surrounding countries so if they do share her values that is very telling. He has surrounded himself with others that have said similar things for years - I don’t think any incident has changed him, maybe made him more braver in doing what he always wanted to do!

Their brains don’t work like normal people’s, they don’t see Palestinians as human beings and have no problem bulldozing them out of the way to get what “God promised”. To be honest I don’t think they care much about any human beings and are willing to sacrifice the hostages too to create their promised land.

Twiglets1 · 14/05/2025 10:14

Who do you mean by “their brains don’t work like normal people’s”?

ScrollingLeaves · 14/05/2025 10:30

I think this article from Israeli newspaper Haaretz is being realistic about what ‘removing Hamas’ really means in practice. Perhaps some Palestinians will get out if Netanyahu can get another country to take them, as he wants, but otherwise the prospect for Gaza is horrible.

Annihilating Hamas Is Tantamount to Destroying the Entire Gaza Strip
With a tyrannical ruling party in a country that has been under siege for 19 years, every male hospital nurse, every municipal accountant, school bus driver, traffic cop, open-air market warden and even a child in kindergarten, is associated with Hamas

Everyone is in favor of destroying Hamas. Who would oppose this? No one would. Extremists want it to happen before the hostages are released, and the moderates say: Let's release the hostages first and then we can annihilate the terror organization.

This is a deception that needs to be unmasked. Annihilating Hamas amounts to annihilating an entire people, or at least killing all of Gaza's men. Destroying Hamas amounts to genocide dressed up in decent attire.

Annihilating Hamas is ostensibly a legitimate objective, especially after October 7, but it is unattainable without destroying all of Gaza. This is why annihilating Hamas is a criminal objective. As long as the occupation continues, it will never be attained.

Even if the resistance movement is no longer called Hamas, it will continue to rise, in cycle after cycle, and Israel will destroy it.

Under the guise of annihilating Hamas, an ongoing massacre of men is now underway in Gaza, an issue less talked about. A handful of conscientious Israelis and world public opinion are focused on women and children who are being massacred in apocalyptic numbers.

Other than parliamentary and extra-parliamentary Israeli fascists – whose numbers are by no means negligible – no human being can remain indifferent upon seeing the dead children in Gaza. But the so-human focus on women and children affords legitimacy to the massacre of Gaza's men. After all, they couldn't possibly be innocent or inculpable.

One cannot destroy Hamas without killing all the men and male youths in the Gaza Strip. Anyone now breathing in Gaza, and certainly anyone still making a living there, is somehow associated with Hamas.

With a tyrannical ruling party in a country that has been under siege for 19 years, every male hospital nurse, every municipal accountant, school bus driver, traffic cop, open-air market warden and even a child in kindergarten, is associated with Hamas.

They are definitely fair game and can be killed, just like the organization's militants can.

In order to eliminate them, it is also permissible to kill thousands of people as collateral damage. The fact that the war is being waged not between two armies, but between a huge army and a ragtag group that on a good day could be defined as a barefoot militia, is blurring all boundaries.

Israel doesn't view them as soldiers, and the term terrorist is a very labile one in Israel. In the West Bank, it has long been permissible to kill a small child holding an even smaller stone, with the claim that he was a terrorist.

All the hundreds of thousands of war-orphaned children and other victims of the war, the disabled, the dispossessed, hungry and sick, as well as their future progeny, will grow up and want to join the resistance.

It will be impossible to stop them without killing every last one of them. An entire generation will seek revenge, and with good reason, with Hamas or with any other movement that replaces it.

The new targets to be killed will not read the Hamas charter and it's doubtful that they'll know the laws of Islam – they will just want to join the resistance.

Kill them and you annihilate Hamas. Tens of thousands of bereaved parents in Gaza will also want to join the campaign against those who killed their children in the tens of thousands, and they too will need to be killed.

The most moral army in the world will call this "mowing the lawn." Every season, another mowing, as long as the occupation continues.

Will the killing of Gaza's men and male youths be less criminal than the killing of women and children? It's highly unlikely. It's true that women and children symbolize innocence and helplessness, but in Gaza, not much innocence remains after this war and everyone there is helpless.

No uninvolved people will remain there either, since no uninvolved person is left. How can one remain uninvolved after 19 months of fear and terror, indiscriminate bombing and no less criminal shelling?

An uprooted person trying to return to the ruins of his house will be deemed an involved person deserving death, just like the refugees of 1948, who tried to do so were called infiltrators, whom it was compulsory to shoot dead.

A mother trying to protect her children will also be considered an involved person, as will a grandmother trying to save her grandson. Killing her and everyone around her – that is the true meaning of annihilating Hamas.

From centrist opposition leader Yair Lapid to extremist Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich – everyone in Israel is in favor.

ScrollingLeaves · 14/05/2025 10:36

Twiglets1 · 14/05/2025 10:14

Who do you mean by “their brains don’t work like normal people’s”?

Examples to name a few;

Netanyahu the narcissistic liar; Smotrich; Ben Givr; Daniella Weiss; the rabbi speaking of ‘the camel riders’ in the Louis Theroux programme; the settlers who come from modern day USA themselves then say the land is theirs and there is no such thing as a Palestinian; those two Israeli’s who had a comedy podcast speaking of Palestinians as ‘sheep f***s’.

Twiglets1 · 14/05/2025 11:12

Sorry I thought it was obvious that when I quoted what @RandomWordsThrownTogether said, I was asking her who she meant by “their brains”.

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 14/05/2025 14:33

Twiglets1 · 14/05/2025 11:12

Sorry I thought it was obvious that when I quoted what @RandomWordsThrownTogether said, I was asking her who she meant by “their brains”.

I'm assuming she means they're narcissistic psychopaths

Twiglets1 · 14/05/2025 15:21

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 14/05/2025 14:33

I'm assuming she means they're narcissistic psychopaths

I will wait for @RandomWordsThrownTogether to reply herself as to who she was talking about.

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 14/05/2025 15:37

Twiglets1 · 14/05/2025 15:21

I will wait for @RandomWordsThrownTogether to reply herself as to who she was talking about.

I think it was obvious, the people I referred to in my thread - @ScrollingLeavesmore or less summed it up! When they did brain scans on serial killers in prisons they found that most had under developed frontal lobes which means they do not feel empathy or have the same understanding of right and wrong as we do - it is a sociopathic trait. Sociopaths unlike psychopaths seem like regular people, they are able to feign empathy, can be charismatic and manipulate people around them - many hold positions of power.

I believe Netanyahu, Danielle Weiss, a lot of the settlers, the extremists in the Israeli government and more or less anyone who advocates for murdering people or removing populations has sociopathic tendencies and as such their brains work differently from normal peoples.

Twiglets1 · 14/05/2025 15:44

My question was only who you meant not what you meant @RandomWordsThrownTogether but thanks for the answer.

Lots of Sociopaths on both sides of this war I’m sure. By which I mean those that started it & those that are seeking to benefit from it now.

wavingfuriously · 14/05/2025 23:02

Did anyone listen to Tom Fletcher's speech in the UN today ?

Whatsinanamehey · 15/05/2025 02:01

More of IDF's lies, incompetence and war war crimes.

ScrollingLeaves · 15/05/2025 09:25

So the IDF has stated Hamas terrorists [Mohammed Sinwar?] were in an underground command and control centre under the hospital but their aeriel video with graphics - used to supposedly show people the underground systems revealed by their bombing - was not of the hospital at all but a nearby school with the area looking undamaged, and the dark lines they said showed "underground terrorist infrastructure site revealed following the strike" were drainage ditches which were visible well before this bombing attack.

Meanwhile, far from being underground, they also bombed some upper floors of the hospital where apparently another target, [Mohammed Sinwar ?] was.

They lie, obfuscate or mislead as much as Putin does.

Whatsinanamehey · 16/05/2025 09:14

Nearly 200 killed in the last 48 hours. Its so scary how the slaughter of starving people is still ongoing.

wavingfuriously · 16/05/2025 10:29

Whatsinanamehey · 16/05/2025 09:14

Nearly 200 killed in the last 48 hours. Its so scary how the slaughter of starving people is still ongoing.

It's a genocide pure and simple.

Igotjelly · 16/05/2025 12:12

wavingfuriously · 16/05/2025 10:29

It's a genocide pure and simple.

I agree

At the beginning of this iteration of the conflict I tried hard to understand why Israel was taking the action that it was. I understand the massacre that was 07 Oct and why they wanted revenge. Hamas are terrorists and I have no sympathy for them.

I absolutely cannot condone what has happened since however. They are massacring civilians at an industrial scale and using starvation as a weapon of war. I struggle to see how much worse it would need to be to be called out as genocide.

I feel for those Israelis living under the current genocidal regime who don’t condone what’s happening to innocents. History will condemn Netanyahu and his cronies as war criminals, of that I have no doubt.

Whatsinanamehey · 16/05/2025 12:17

You know it's really bad when even Trump has finally admitted that Gazans are starving whilst the Israeli foreign minister still insists they aren't.

Trump has also said he doesn't think Netanyahu will make a deal and there's talks Hamas are now negotiating directly with the US which has probably angered Israel even more. The days after the American Israeli hostage was released have been some of the most lethal since the start of the war.

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