This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 6)

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/08/idf-has-long-history-of-denying-involvement-in-civilian-killings

The utterly heartbreaking thing about starting these threads is how simple it is to find the opening link.

When will they stop?

Why do you think highlighting extremism on both sides is deflection? Do you not want a light shine on the atrocities carried out by Palestinians? Why are you so hyperfocused on criticising Israel as if they exist in a vacuum?

People have expressed upset on this thread that our governments aren't acting, but maybe that's because they don't exist inside an echo chamber unlike some posters on here. They have committees where hard questions are asked and they do their best to make balanced decisions. Maybe they're not acting as you'd like them to because they have a more realistic picture of the insanity Israel has to deal with

Videos show Israelis celebrating the death of a Palestinian child that wad murdered by an arson attack carried out in his home by Israelis.

I'm not sure what your point is. I said that there's extremism on both sides. However, in Israel they don't throw street parties and hand out sweets like the Palestinians did when celebrating the Itamar Massacre and a three month old baby being stabbed to death in his cot. This is what I mean. Palestinian violence is on a whole other scale

And that would have been wrong to do also. I can call out extremism on both sides. Why are you only concerned with Israeli extremism?

Really? The videos showing Israelis dancing and celebrating at the death of an innocent Palestinian child is not a whole other scale? You need to fix your scales.

You know what your problem is? You think you are fair and unbiased by calling extremism on one side 'wrong' whilst simultaneously trying to paint similar extremism on the other side as much worse. You need to look at your own biases and prejudices before you try to start lecturing others.

Did you watch Therouxs doc? You saw what the settlers and the IDF both backed by the Israeli government were doing to them right? How do you teach those people who are abused and harassed everyday, have their homes and livihoods stolen to like Israel? How do you teach people who have been been denied aid for 2 months, had their whole territory destroyed, everything they have ever worked for gone to like Israel? I just don't see how you see this going when Israel are currently oppressing Palestinians as was clearly seen on the doc the other night, how do you teach people to love their oppressors when they are sitting in your house eating your olives while you live in a cave.

You're not really in a position to be commenting on other people's fairness and bias. Let's be honest here. You can't even bring yourself to say Palestinian extremism is wrong

You know, I don't think I have a problem here. Those with a bloodlust never leave a lasting legacy. Where are Nazism and Stalinism now? Pol Pot's only legacy is a country that still heavily bears its' scars, until a few years ago you didn't see many old people. People who celebrate death, including that of their own children, don't win in the long run

I stand with the moderates on both sides because that's the only way forward for peace for everyone. History has taught us that.

I'm not going to perform to your tune just because you demand something. All I see you doing on these threads is jumping to incorrect conclusions time and time again based on your own pre-concieved biases.

Glorifying and supporting terrorism never achieves anything. Regular people quite rightly are vehemently against it

BBC news on X: Several Kneecap gigs cancelled in Germany

Do you really think calling out extremism is dancing to someone's tune? Surely you're either against extremism or you're not

From Reuters

Switzerland to enact Hamas ban from May 15

A new Swiss law banning Hamas and related organisations will come into force on May 15, the government said on Wednesday, aiming to prevent the Palestinian militant group from using Switzerland as a safe haven by making entry bans or expulsions easier to arrange.
The law, which was approved by parliament last December and came in the wake of Hamas' attack on Israel on October 7, 2023, gives Swiss authorities "the necessary tools to take action against Hamas activities or support for the organisation in Switzerland," the government said.

The Swiss law enables preventive police measures such as entry bans or expulsions, and also makes it more difficult for Hamas to use Switzerland as a financial hub for its activities.

Demanding and insisting that random people on the Internet call something wrong, which is obviously wrong regardless of who is doing it, doesn't give you the moral superiority that you think it does. It's just strange and erratic behaviour.

Israelis visit the hills surrounding Gaza to watch bombs fall as if it’s a tourist attraction - they cheer and dance when people are killed.

Daniella Weiss was bringing kids in boat trips to show them Gaza, the land “promised by God” that would be theirs when it was cleared, and the little kids were all getting so excited. This is radicalising the young, brainwashing them to think they have a divine right to other people’s property. This was before October 7th, you see in the BBC documentary where she talks about how she has a direct line with the Israeli government and Netanyahu’s aids, that she can make things happen. This is government sanctioned radicalisation.

There are countless videos of Israelis talking about Palestinians as if they are rats that need exterminating, they see them as less than human.

I do not think it is Palestinians that need deradicalisation - they will hate Israel less when the IDF stop murdering them as Israelis cheer and dance on the surrounding hills. The easiest way to turn people into terrorists that kidnap and murder is to kidnap and murder their kids, steal everything they own and keep them locked in an open air prison as you randomly bomb them. On the flip side the easiest way to get along with your neighbours is to give them equal rights and treat them humanely. The troubles in Northern Ireland ended with catholics being given equal rights - they were allowed in the army and the police and were no longer terrorised - in return the various terrorist groups disbanded. The troubles in South Africa ended with people being given equal rights. It’s not rocket science - treat people as you want to be treated yourself. Read Frankenstein - it is a good reflection of human nature - the monster becomes a monster because of how he has been treated.

Countless videos of Israelis saying that is right to kill the Palestinian kids because you have to kill the nest etc… An Irish surgeon who volunteered in Gaza talked about a family where the kids were shot in the head by IDF from an Apache helicopter - countless children shot in the head and the limbs at close range. This is an extermination. This is genocide.

@PollyPaintsFlowers who wrote
"Palestinian violence is on a whole other scale. "

Polly, visualise that you are flying over Gaza, and look at the scene below.
Now take your mind's eye to Tel Aviv and do the same.

Are you sure it is the Palestinians who are the more violent ?

I think all extremism is wrong too @PollyPaintsFlowers

It’s sad that others on this thread can’t bring themselves to agree with that one belief. If we all want an end to fighting, that should be the one thing we can all agree on.

Makes you realise there is no hope of peace in Gaza. When even on Mumsnet people can’t just agree all extremism is wrong regardless of who we think is “worse”.

If that was a dig at me then from my previous post..

which is obviously wrong regardless of who is doing it,

It's like talking about murder and demanding everyone on the thread write out a post that murder is wrong and whoever doesn't that means they don't agree, I hope you can see how ridiculous that is.

It’s not a dig at anyone in particular just a reflection that some people can say all extremism is wrong others can’t which doesn’t bode well for peace in Gaza if even Mumsnetters can’t agree on that.

It's a baseless assumption in my opinion. Especially when it's Polly who demands people call out extremism whilst she only does it with the caveat that Palestinian extremism is worse. You can see why some posters won't be willing to engage with that.

No I confess I don’t understand why people on here won’t just say all extremism is wrong.

Perhaps you can point out which poster has said only extremism on one side Is wrong because I can't see it anywhere.

It's a war that Hamas started. But to use your 'example'...

Mouth, visualise you are flying over Dresden, and look at the scene below.
Now take your mind's eye to Manchester and do the same.
Are you sure it's the Nazis who are the more violent?

Hamas deliberately started a war they couldn't win. They could end it today by releasing the hostages unconditionally. They haven't and they won't.

Hamas also murdered two Palestinian civilians yesterday who were trying to access the aid Hamas have illegally stockpiled.

Free Palestine from Hamas.