Egypt refuses to allow in Palestinians who want to leave Gaza voluntarily.

[CrunchyKnees]

‘Such action would “liquidate the Palestinian cause”. In other words Egypt has admitted that it wants to use Palestinian civilians as weapons against Israel because that is what the Palestinian cause is - the destruction of Israel.’

Why are the people insisting that there is an in going genocide in Gaza, and purport to care about the Palestinian people, not shouting from the rooftops, protesting and marching about this?

Innocent civilians, including children, are being killed in a war everyday!

Isn’t it normal practice for civilians fleeing war zones to be granted refuge in nearby safe countries?

Remember Egypt illegally occupied Gaza from 1948 to 1967. In that time there were no calls for a Palestinian state.

Yasser Arafat, the most famous Palestinian, and founder of Fatah, a paramilitary organisation which sought to replace Israel with a Palestinian state, was an Egyptian who fought alongside the Muslim Brotherhood in the 1948 Arab-Israeli war, started on the same day Israel declared itself an independent state.

https://x.com/COLRICHARDKEMP/status/1909019076493533334

Richard Kemp is a retired British Army Colonel awarded the MBE, CBE and Queen’s Commendation for Bravery for service as a commander in the UN Protection Force in Bosnia. He was an infantry battalion commander serving in Iraq, Afghanistan and Northern Ireland, as well as working for COBRA during the 2005 London bombings and the kidnappings of British nationals in Iraq and Afghanistan so he knows about bit about terrorist warfare.

Opps missed out a bit added in bold:

‘They then started another war with Israel in 1967 which they lost again and when Israel took control of Gaza, Palestinians declined to create their own state and decided a better way forward was to terrorise Israel because they wanted all the land ‘ ‘from the river to the sea’ and the annihilation of the Jews, led by an Egyptian named Yasser Arafat.’

Thanks for the history lesson. Perhaps Germany and UK can take the Palestinians - as they too once played a role in what is currently happening in ME.

Amazing the unwillingness by some reflect at all on Israel’s role in the current tragedy in Gaza. Doesn’t bode well for a peaceful future in the region.

I completely agree OP.

In all other conflicts e.g. Ukraine other countries have allowed refugee status so why not Gaza? We have no real idea about the numbers who would wish to seek refuge but realistically there are many. I have written previously that a perma war between Israel and Hamas can not leave a land that is hospitable from a general economic and health perspective so in effect it is a cruelty to not allow the migration of Palestinians.

The migration of Palestinians will in my opinion diffuse the threat of further terrorism while allowing a reset in the middle East which in the long term will lead to greater security and prosperity for all. The Arab League have made vague commitments to reconstruction of Gaza with a figure of 50B for 2M people which is around 25K per person which cannot account for modern housing and health care so there is no serious plan for a viable new Gaza unless we consider a complete reset of the region to end decades of war.

Israel’s role? Israel withdrew every Jew from Gaza over 20 years ago. Literally ethnically cleansed Jews from the land in order to give it all over to make a Palestinian state. There is an 8 mile border with Egypt in the south as well, so don’t start on me about a blockade, because there is an EIGHT MILE border with a country other than Israel.
Since Gaza became judenfrei they voted in a terror organisation who went on to create an intricate and expensive terror system in order to terrorise and eventually wipe out the inhabitants of Israel “from the river to the sea” (yes, that phrase means the genocide of Israeli Jews).
Then on Oct 7 they did such unspeakable barbaric horrific things that it can’t be realised on mainstream media.
Israel said enough is enough. We give them jobs, electricity, infrastructure (they seem too invested in building terror tunnels than thriving and working for a better future), yet they send over rockets and slaughter our children, AND kidnap over 200 civilians.
So tell me again, what exactly IS Israel’s role in this tragedy? And tell me, why the other Middle Eastern countries, the majority of them Muslim haven’t offered help or support to the Gazans?
Poland opened its borders to Ukrainians - much of the world did. That’s how it works. So why is nobody helping the Gazans? Dubai, Jordan, Egypt, Saudi, the list goes on. Huge swathes of land to offer.
Israel is the size of Wales. It homes 8m people. Most of them Jews.
The only Jewish majority country IN THE WORLD.
i wonder why it gets singled out for so much hate and scrutiny.

I think firstly they just don’t want to take the burden of refugees, secondly there is a security risk that hamas will come in with civilians. The reality is neighbouring countries regularly take refugees during times of war.

I just don’t think there is as much empathy as people claim there is. They could allow some in and then resettle them back in Gaza after this is over. I think it takes some mental gymnastics to claim that you aren’t taking the refugees because you are actually trying to help them. Egypt also has an agreement with Israel over the Sinai and the last thing they need is hamas turning up in Egypt and using it as a launchpad for attacking Israel. happened to Lebanon and it was a godawful mess.

The claim that people are trying to “help” Palestinians is the reason so many in Lebanon live in poorly resourced camps and are blocked from owning a home and accessing certain jobs. The reality is they could have any point said “look if you want to become Lebanese you can do that, you can be a full citizen if you want, if you don’t want to and want to wait for a Palestinian homeland you can do that”. But they don’t want Palestinians to be able to access that. It’s shit for those people. It’s a stick to beat Israel with, it’s not in the interests of Palestinians at all. Generations of people left in limbo.

The west however do offer citizenship eventually to many refugees. If you believe that it’s in the best interests of Palestinians to be forced to stay in Gaza or not be given any other avenues then you should also supports a complete ban on Palestinians obtaining travel or citizenship to any western country too. otherwise you are just a hypocrite. I feel sorry for Gazans, they have a really shitty hand and their “supporters” often don’t do them any favours either.

I would gently point out that Jordan, kuwait, lebanon and egypt all have experience with militants arising from Palestinian diaspora. Either attacking the country itself, getting involved in civil conflict or attacking Israel from their host country. They also don’t much care for political correctness so aren’t really going to give a shit if it makes them look bad not to take palestinians. Thats the problem. Obviously it is not the fault of civilians but you just have to look at Hamas use of child soldiers, you would have to comsider 13yr old boys a potential threat. It’s fucking awful for Palestinians who just want to be able to live a decent safe life. But no-one wants a security threat within their borders. The neighbouring countries have enough problems. The UK has an insane number of people on watchlists I’m not sure we have the capacity to actually vet all males adequately.

Israel withdrew every Jew from Gaza over 20 years ago. Literally ethnically cleansed Jews from the land in order to give it all over to make a Palestinian state.

Israel gives their citizens 100s of 1000s of dollars to move out of where they were never invited to live in the first place because the cost of them living and trying to expand where they weren't invited was too much = ethnic cleansing.

Israeli government and military say things like they are fighting “human animals.” Making Gaza a “slaughterhouse.” “Erasing the Gaza Strip from the face of the earth.” They destroy pretty much all healthcare facilities, block all aid, kill more children in a year than have been killed in all other conflicts worldwide in the past 4 ≠ genocide

It's fascinating to watch the twists and turns of some people's minds.

I agree & think that all countries would probably be worried about taking Palestinian refugees, including UK, Germany etc.

Because of the security threat of Hamas being amongst them.

This has been answered repeatedly on this board and the conversations have progressed with acknowledgement of some pro-Israeli posters that there are questions for the IDF and Netanyahu’s government.
I am sorry if the trauma of 7/10 makes it difficult for you to understand the concerns of the international community and the even those who support Israel.