Egypt refuses to allow in Palestinians who want to leave Gaza voluntarily.

[CrunchyKnees]

‘Such action would “liquidate the Palestinian cause”. In other words Egypt has admitted that it wants to use Palestinian civilians as weapons against Israel because that is what the Palestinian cause is - the destruction of Israel.’

Why are the people insisting that there is an in going genocide in Gaza, and purport to care about the Palestinian people, not shouting from the rooftops, protesting and marching about this?

Innocent civilians, including children, are being killed in a war everyday!

Isn’t it normal practice for civilians fleeing war zones to be granted refuge in nearby safe countries?

Remember Egypt illegally occupied Gaza from 1948 to 1967. In that time there were no calls for a Palestinian state.

Yasser Arafat, the most famous Palestinian, and founder of Fatah, a paramilitary organisation which sought to replace Israel with a Palestinian state, was an Egyptian who fought alongside the Muslim Brotherhood in the 1948 Arab-Israeli war, started on the same day Israel declared itself an independent state.

https://x.com/COLRICHARDKEMP/status/1909019076493533334

Richard Kemp is a retired British Army Colonel awarded the MBE, CBE and Queen’s Commendation for Bravery for service as a commander in the UN Protection Force in Bosnia. He was an infantry battalion commander serving in Iraq, Afghanistan and Northern Ireland, as well as working for COBRA during the 2005 London bombings and the kidnappings of British nationals in Iraq and Afghanistan so he knows about bit about terrorist warfare.

I really want to understand how my grandfather, who would have been murdered if he remained in his home country, (Germany) was a coloniser.

Was my grandmothers family colonisers because they left Poland and moved to the UK? Or is that only ok because they just barely tolerated and allowed to stay?

Is a black Nigerian who migrates to Israel also a coloniser?

Where SHOULD we go?

Incorrect. In Lebanon Palestinians caused a civil war and in Jordan they tried to overthrow the king. It's not just to do with fear of harbouring terrorists, although Egypt gave enough problems of their own with the Muslim Brotherhood

Why? Russia started a war by invading a sovereign nation. They went on the offensive.

Israel was forced into a war after being invaded. Israel had to go on the defensive.

Completely different scenario

Sorry @CrunchyKnees I've just seen I repeated what you said

If that were true aren't you angry with Hamas for causing all this death and destruction?

Israel doesn't have hostages, it has prisoners, far different from the innocent civilians Hamas took including children and the elderly. They even kidnapped dead bodies

What did Hamas think was going to happen?

I wonder if you even know when the last elections were in Gaza? I wonder if you know that a lot of the civilisns being murdered by Israel weren't even old enough to vote in the last elections?

And to insinuate individuals are terrorists simply because of their ethnicity is racist yes, so the cap clearly fits and you are happy to wear it.

I wonder why 🙄

I don't condone Hamas, legally under international law they do have a right to armed resistance but only against legitimate military targets which clearly did not happen on October 7th.
That said, the Israeli government absolutely do have hostages and evidence has been given in the ICC detailing the torture and sexual abuse that happens in their prisons. There's also evidence showing they potentially were aware of the intended plans and let it happen to give them an opportunity like this. This has been reported by Israel's own media.

What many people don't seem to understand is that the Israeli government pushed for people in Gaza to vote for Hamas instead of the opposition when they were originally voted into power. Money was funneled to them because they knew that Hamas, unlike the opposition agreed with armed resistance and it would further legitimize the Zionist cause.

Even if the Israeli government were targeting Hamas, that doesn't explain the actions they are currently taking in other areas of Palestine not controlled by Hamas. This is just their opportunity to clear as much people and land as they can regardless of who they kill. Do you know they call it 'mowing the lawn'? That's when they carry out an attack on the Palestinian people.They say it's good for the cause to get rid of Palestinians every so often because they can clear the way for more occupation.

And lastly, as I've said I don't condone the actions of Hamas but what would you do? If you were anexed to an open concentration camp, where an apartheid system controls who is allowed to leave, where every peace talks are intentionally collapsed by those you are supposed to make agreements with. When your people are kidnapped, assaulted and murdered just for where they were born. Would you consider turning to an armed resistance? Remember people called Nelson Mandela a terrorist once too.

Rape isn't resistance. Kidnapping babies isn't resistance. Mutilating people and shooting them in the genitals isn't resistance. Murdering a mother and then posing for a photograph for your Telegram channel, while holding her children with her dead body in the background isn't resistance. Shooting an eight year old boy in the head on his way back from a family camping trip for his birthday isn't resistance. You may not condone it so you say, but you've just tried to justify it. Shame on you.

No that's not true. I don't agree with anything they did that targeted innocent people. I understand why as a group they exist and I understand the law that allows them to fight against Israel but only when they target legitimate military targets. Anything outside of that is disgusting and unacceptable.
Equally though, the Israeli government is guilty of exactly similar crimes, on a larger scale and yet you don't seem to condemn their actions against innocent people who have nothing to do with Hamas.

Bringing back the thread to the title. Over 50% of Gazans want to leave.

It’s interesting some want to go to Germany and not to Egypt or Jordan.

It is also interesting how people advocating for the Palestinians don’t want them to leave, pretty much like at the beginning of the war, the border with Egypt was kept closed and they were not allowed to flee the war.

www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/dfa9263a1ab05443

Their reasons for wanting to leave are not limited to the ongoing war between Hamas and Israel; they run much deeper. For decades, Gazans have suffered under Hamas's leadership. They want safety, freedom, financial security, and quality education. None of that will happen as long as they live under Hamas's brutal rule.

https://x.com/realbassemeid/status/1907273827484065990

What a hideous racist comment. Shame on you!

Egypt don’t want Hamas.

Who can blame them. Bet they’re feeling a bit silly for refusing Jews now too.

@SummerDaysOnTheWay What a playful username. Easy with the auto-offended, love.

Zionist kool aid.😂

Did you mean borders rather than boarders? It changes the meaning somewhat.

It is about Egypt and wider ME response to the Palestinians whose homes and infrastructure Israel’s army destroyed. Yeah - I know that, but Egypt did not cause the issue and have come up with an alternative plan.

You can just take one small piece out of a jigsaw to understand its relevance - you need to see it in context of the whole picture.

Egypt didn’t cause the problem but this thread seems to be about berating them for not solving it and taking in Palestinians.

It’s not like they are abandoning the Palestinians and have proposed an alternative plan.

« The US special envoy to the Middle East, Steve Witkoff, has since walked back the Trump administration’s opposition to the plan. “We need more discussion about it, but it’s a good faith first step from the Egyptians,” Witkoff said to reporters outside the White House on March 6.«

theconversation.com/what-does-egypts-plan-to-rebuild-gaza-involve-and-what-challenges-does-it-face-251567

What rubbish.,Repeating propaganda because you think you understand what’s going on doesn’t make it true!!

Why is it racist? Go do some research and try to understand what happened in Lebanon, Jordan and Egypt when they opened their doors to them. It’s ignorant to base your opinions on your own personal privileged perspective. Also, if you’ve ever repeated anti Israel propaganda then you’ve been hideous and racist too. Gasp! Surely not!!

What is especially galling about this is that it is believed that a lot of Gazans origins are from Egypt. The most common surname in Gaza is apparently Al-Masri which means ‘the Egyptian’. A lot of other surnames are derived from Yemen, Lebanon and the Arab Peninsula.

We know Yasser Arafat was an Egyptian.

Population of Gaza at the beginning of the Egyptian occupation in 1948 was 80-85,000 and an
Israeli census in 1967 put it at 355,000, although there are reports it could have been up to 450,000. That’s a 317% increase at the 355,000 figure in under 20 years whereas the average global birth rate percentage from 1948-1967 was around 4%.

From research it’s not clear how much of that increase was from movement from Egypt into Gaza or extremely high birth rates.

It’s a massive cop out from Egypt to say that they are concerned Gazans won’t be able to return to Gaza if they take refuge in Egypt, when the most of the whole world currently believes they are victims of a genocide.

Look at the history of the murder, insurrection conflict and terrorism that has been inflicted upon any country to offer shelter to Palestinians.

You are correct. I regard the Palestinians as terrorists or at the least terrorist sympathisers. As does every other Arab, middle East nation which will not allow mass immigration from Palestine. . I don't care if Palestinians not old enough to have voted for Hamas have been killed. That's on their parents. Israel was about to officially make peace with Saudi Arabia. The Hamas money men in Doha couldn't allow that. That's what the massacres were done for. For that precise reason. And done, deliberately, in such a vile and barbaric manner, that the Israelis would over react. Which is what happened. After mass demonstrations in support of the butchering of babies, by the poor, peace loving Palestinians.

Actually Egypt did cause the problem when they started a war with Israel in 1948, lost and illegally occupied territory which was supposed to form part of a Palestinian State from 1948-1967.

They then started another war with Israel in 1967 which they lost again and when Israel took control of Gaza, Palestinians declined to create their own state and decided a better way forward was to terrorise Israel because they wanted all the land ‘ ‘from the river to the sea’ and the annihilation of the Jews, leaving Israel with a shitstorm of chaos to deal with for the next 60 years.

Ditto Jordan and the West Bank.