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Conflict in the Middle East

It is perfectly right for Israel to deny access to MPs at a time of war when their only possible reason to visit was to undermine a country at war

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mids2019 · 06/04/2025 19:03

Why are 2 MPs wishing to visit Israel (not on government businees).

Is to look at potential trading ideas? Is is to suggest enhanced military co-operation with an ally? Is to offer personal condensed to the victims of October 7th? Is it to learn more about the culture of Istael?

Of course it isnt.

Two MPs paid by our tax and supposedly representing constituents have tried to go to Israel to make a political point and possibly engage in some sort of protest behaviour. I think Israel is perfectly within their rights to refuse to partake in publicity stiunts or to host representatives of other counties whose sole wish is to criticise them and not support.

Enough said.

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Icanthinkformyselfthanks · 06/04/2025 19:27

@mids2019 I entirely agree with you. Unfortunately Mumsnet is hugely biased in favour of a terrorist origination fuelled unfortunately by widespread antisemitism on the left.

Fernandoo · 06/04/2025 19:46

Icanthinkformyselfthanks · 06/04/2025 19:27

@mids2019 I entirely agree with you. Unfortunately Mumsnet is hugely biased in favour of a terrorist origination fuelled unfortunately by widespread antisemitism on the left.

I dont support hamas nor israel's indiscriminate bombing and war crimes.

mids2019 · 06/04/2025 19:59

What were they intending to do?

If we need state delegation this handled by the foreign office and PM. This was not a state sanctioned visit but two MPs wanting to go to Israel to make some sort of point.

I think in reality the Israelis might have refused them for thieor own safety if they had decided to do something stupid like travelling towards Gaza or the West Bank during a way.

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Summerhillsquare · 06/04/2025 20:25

You sound about as paranoid as the Israeli government.

Aaron95 · 06/04/2025 20:27

mids2019 · 06/04/2025 19:59

What were they intending to do?

If we need state delegation this handled by the foreign office and PM. This was not a state sanctioned visit but two MPs wanting to go to Israel to make some sort of point.

I think in reality the Israelis might have refused them for thieor own safety if they had decided to do something stupid like travelling towards Gaza or the West Bank during a way.

They were going to visit a number of humanitarian projects which are ongoing in the West Bank. They had informed the UK consul of their itinerary and that would therefore have been communicated to the Israeli's.

It doesn't take a genius to work out what happened. They have been previously critical of the recent actions of the Israeli government. The Israeli government is making clear it will not tolerate anyone who disagreed with their actions.

Someone in the Israeli government clearly didn't want them there and so they made up some nonsense to allow them to be arrested and deported as soon as they got to the airport.

Scirocco · 06/04/2025 20:38

They were travelling as a parliamentary delegation organised by CAABU and MAP to visit humanitarian aid projects and learn more about what's happening in the region.

quantumbutterfly · 06/04/2025 20:51

Summerhillsquare · 06/04/2025 20:25

You sound about as paranoid as the Israeli government.

It's not as if their neighbours are out to kill them or anything.🙄

mouthpipette · 06/04/2025 21:00

Icanthinkformyselfthanks · 06/04/2025 19:27

@mids2019 I entirely agree with you. Unfortunately Mumsnet is hugely biased in favour of a terrorist origination fuelled unfortunately by widespread antisemitism on the left.

@Icanthinkformyselfthankswho wrote..

"Unfortunately Mumsnet is hugely biased in favour of a terrorist origination (sic)"

I'm really hoping that you meant to say "Those who post on Mumsnet are biased in favour of a terrorist organisation......."

Otherwise unless you could prove it, your contribution would be a serious libel. If you are suggesting that MNHQ is hotbed of wide eyed, antisemitic trots.... (possibly even a Marxist cell) then Emma, or Jenna or Donna or Matilda or Emma 2 or whoever is breezing through these boards trying to maintain decorum, may be having a quiet word in your ear.

If, on the other hand, you really meant to say " Those who post on Mumsnet are terrorist supporting, left wing antisemites...."

Then that's OK, we're used to that.

MrsKeats · 06/04/2025 21:19

Icanthinkformyselfthanks · 06/04/2025 19:27

@mids2019 I entirely agree with you. Unfortunately Mumsnet is hugely biased in favour of a terrorist origination fuelled unfortunately by widespread antisemitism on the left.

I’m not in favour of the evil dictator you have in charge and the bombing of women and children.
That’s not anti semitism.

quantumbutterfly · 06/04/2025 21:23

MrsKeats · 06/04/2025 21:19

I’m not in favour of the evil dictator you have in charge and the bombing of women and children.
That’s not anti semitism.

Evil dictators? We've just been warned about libeling mumsnet towers, steady on.

Mylegishangingoff · 06/04/2025 21:35

Israel can and do do what they want clearly. What Israel can't do though and what absolutely kills their avid supporters to the point that they resort to baseless accusations, is they can't control what people think Israels actions say about them.

catlovingdoctor · 06/04/2025 21:39

Icanthinkformyselfthanks · 06/04/2025 19:27

@mids2019 I entirely agree with you. Unfortunately Mumsnet is hugely biased in favour of a terrorist origination fuelled unfortunately by widespread antisemitism on the left.

I personally have absolutely nothing against Jews; just the IDF bombing civilians. HTH.

mouthpipette · 06/04/2025 21:53

@catlovingdoctor who wrote
" I personally have absolutely nothing against Jews........"

Oooooooowwwwchh.. Please be careful ..

That's almost as bad as

"Some of my best friends............"

I tell you, it's a minefield out there.

ButterfliesnWaterfalls · 06/04/2025 21:57

Israeli propaganda at work.

MrsKeats · 06/04/2025 22:25

ButterfliesnWaterfalls · 06/04/2025 21:57

Israeli propaganda at work.

200%

Gaimbin · 06/04/2025 23:15

In a time when the safety and survival of their population is paramount to them, the Israeli authorities are under no obligation whatsoever to let unqualified, publicity seeking bad faith actors into their country who would seek to undermine their national security and interests. Much like any other country in the world but of course it's only condemnable when the Israel does it.

Slow clap for the MPs wasting their time and taxpayers' money on a jaunt far away from their own constituents' considerably more pressing issues and engaging in a publicity stunt which was never going to have any other outcome, which is exactly why they did it.

mids2019 · 07/04/2025 05:33

Gaimbins point absolutely.

If the MPs were going on some fact finding mission to the West bank greyhound be putting their lives in danger as well as simply being an embarrassment to the UK. I don't know if the MPs were expecting Palsstinians or Israelis to escort them around charities but I think there could have been some possibility having UK MP hostages added to the list of Hamas bargaining chips. Pure vain foolishness.

The presence of MPs would have been used as a propaganda opportunity for Hamas I am sure.

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Twiglets1 · 07/04/2025 06:43

I agree with your OP @mids2019 and as someone who lives close to one of the MPs I did think their time would have been better spent representing their local constituents at home rather than them with their 2 aides attempting to visit a war torn country overseas.

They have both spoken out against Israel in Parliament recently, fair enough that is their right to free speech in this country. However, Israel also have the right to stop people entering their country who they believe are intending to "act against the state and its citizens".

The MPs were only elected into office in 2024 with promises to do lots for their local constituents - shouldn't they be focusing on those instead?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9133z2v30o

Mercurial123 · 07/04/2025 07:04

Icanthinkformyselfthanks · 06/04/2025 19:27

@mids2019 I entirely agree with you. Unfortunately Mumsnet is hugely biased in favour of a terrorist origination fuelled unfortunately by widespread antisemitism on the left.

You missed the bit about not supporting a genocide.

Mylegishangingoff · 07/04/2025 07:17

mids2019 · 07/04/2025 05:33

Gaimbins point absolutely.

If the MPs were going on some fact finding mission to the West bank greyhound be putting their lives in danger as well as simply being an embarrassment to the UK. I don't know if the MPs were expecting Palsstinians or Israelis to escort them around charities but I think there could have been some possibility having UK MP hostages added to the list of Hamas bargaining chips. Pure vain foolishness.

The presence of MPs would have been used as a propaganda opportunity for Hamas I am sure.

Don't be so ridiculous. The biggest danger in the West Bank is Israel not Hamas, look at the death and injury stats. Foreign government workers visit uneventfully all of the time, despite what some people would have you think Hamas aren't lurking around every corner in Palestine waiting to kidnap people. An example from a few days ago On 24–26 March, Minister for Foreign Affairs Maria Malmer Stenergard visited Israel and Palestine. The purpose was to examine how Sweden can contribute to the improvement of the current situation and promote bilateral relations.

https://www.government.se/articles/2025/04/minister-for-foreign-affairs-visits-israel-and-palestine/

Ethelflaedofmercia · 07/04/2025 07:39

Completely agree OP.

mids2019 · 08/04/2025 05:22

This was no neutral act of going to Israel to look into 'improving relations'. The two MPs were going to ostensibly look at charities (presumably Palestinian) to be fed propaganda for Hams and related groups to bring back to the UK. I don't know the make up of their constituencies but if there is a large 'Pro Palestine' contingent then politically they will have a local win from their jolly to visit a war zone.

The MPs could have contacted the Israeli embassy in London to state their purpose and indeed get an overview of charitable work in that region saving time and money. We don't seem to have streams of MPs flooding to Myanmar so why Gaza?

The UK would do the same if at a time of war and danger to our citizens political representatives with an obvious agenda aligning with our enemies wanted to visit.

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CrunchyKnees · 09/04/2025 11:33

mids2019 · 08/04/2025 05:22

This was no neutral act of going to Israel to look into 'improving relations'. The two MPs were going to ostensibly look at charities (presumably Palestinian) to be fed propaganda for Hams and related groups to bring back to the UK. I don't know the make up of their constituencies but if there is a large 'Pro Palestine' contingent then politically they will have a local win from their jolly to visit a war zone.

The MPs could have contacted the Israeli embassy in London to state their purpose and indeed get an overview of charitable work in that region saving time and money. We don't seem to have streams of MPs flooding to Myanmar so why Gaza?

The UK would do the same if at a time of war and danger to our citizens political representatives with an obvious agenda aligning with our enemies wanted to visit.

Exactly this.

Absolutely shocking and disgraceful they used tax payers money and time they should have been spent on their constituents for this.

These virtue signalling, useful idiot, bad actors should resign from office for embarrassing the UK.

User37482 · 09/04/2025 11:43

Honestly the UK is in such a state they should be focusing on their constituents. I have no problem with Mp’s raising whatever they want in parliament however we do have departments and Mp’s who are focussed on foreign policy areas already. It just feels like pointless activism.

hellohellooo · 09/04/2025 11:55

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