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Conflict in the Middle East

Anti Israel Rhetoric is rife. Why?

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cindyhove · 05/04/2025 14:19

As of April 5, 2025, numerous armed conflicts are ongoing worldwide, varying in scale and intensity. According to the Geneva Academy of International Humanitarian Law and Human Rights, over 110 armed conflicts are currently being monitored, encompassing both international and non-international engagements.
why is israel the only one to be demonised out of the current 110 conflicts?
The answer is blindingly obvious

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JandamiHash · 05/04/2025 19:13

HTH1 · 05/04/2025 18:49

To be honest though, if I were Jewish, the last place I would want to be is Israel. Maybe I’m being naive but somewhere like the US would probably be much safer.

If you were Jewish the time would probably come where it was your only option.

David Baddiel - a smart, atheist Jewish man who experiences antisemitism daily - has an Israeli passport for this very reason.

FOJN · 05/04/2025 19:17

What about them?

You asked,

"...why is israel the only one to be demonised out of the current 110 conflicts?"

I gave you an example of another country and leader also being demonised for their conduct in armed conflict as evidence that Israel was not "the only one".

JandamiHash · 05/04/2025 19:17

thepariscrimefiles · 05/04/2025 19:00

Do you think that people who are appalled at the slaughter of Palestinian civilians, particularly children, weren't outraged at what Hamas did on October 7th?

Most decent people are appalled at the loss of civilian life on both sides, and think that what happened to Israeli babies and children on October 7th was brutal, savage and monstrous. What is happening now to Palestinian babies and children is equally awful and heart-rending.

I am not Jewish but my dad was and all my family on my father's side are/were Jewish. I feel the same way about Netanyahu and his far right government as I do about the leaders of Hamas, Putin and Trump. Corrupt, immoral psychopaths. I don't think that this makes me anti-semitic.

Antisemitism attacks rose by 500% after October 7th so I’m inclined to think that no, people aren’t horrified by what Hamas did

AccountCreateUsername · 05/04/2025 19:17

verysmellyjelly · 05/04/2025 16:59

The majority of those killed are male combatants, actually.

Do you really believe that? I don’t think you do. I think you know that is a lie.

JandamiHash · 05/04/2025 19:18

Penathought · 05/04/2025 19:00

Israel also has hostages. At the end of March they were holding over 3000 Palestinians in Administrative Detention - which means they are held in prisons and held without trial, not having committed an offence but on the grounds that the Israelis think they may plan to break the law in the future! Others are held for throwing stones, from the age of 14. A young boy of 17 recently died in Administrative Detention.

You misspelt hostages. They’re prisoners of war. They’ve committed crimes against Israelis. They aren’t babies and toddlers like what Hamas kidnapped and strangled

Whatthewhatwhatwhat · 05/04/2025 19:19

I am Jewish and I support the liberation of the Palestinian people, and their right to LIVE. Israel is carrying out a genocide and they do not represent me. Shame on you for trying to excuse their murderous actions. Shame on you for crying antisemitism while defending the indefensible.

JandamiHash · 05/04/2025 19:20

Penathought · 05/04/2025 19:10

All Jews deserve sympathy for what was done to them during the Holocaust, remembering the millions slaughtered and tortured. However, the Holocaust was something we did in Europe, not only in Germany but many other countries were complicit. However, it is not fair to expect Palestinians to give up their land because of the Holocaust.

Well you’re 75 years too late on that one. And it was given fairly and squarely after being stolen from the Jews.

Are you anti-asylum then? Or just when it’s Jews trying to seek asylum?

jewelcase · 05/04/2025 19:20

I’m actually Jewish and I don’t think it’s cos of anti-Semitism.

The reason Israel gets more publicity than, say, Sudan or the DRC or Central Asia where there are also conflicts is for a number of perfectly valid reasons.

There are a lot of Jewish people in the U.K., interested in the conflict.

The West has a lot of skin in the game and the Middle East is strategically important.

Israel is nuclear armed and so potentially is Iran.

I actually think the coverage is fairly balanced in the U.K.

That’s not to say that nobody is ever anti-Semitic. I myself have been the victim of casual, unthinking anti-Semitism. But I don’t think media coverage is that.

JandamiHash · 05/04/2025 19:21

effie19 · 05/04/2025 19:13

Ok great, answer my question then? What's the big total? Who is winning? Who has killed the most people? Bravo to them!! Great news.

Well I’d like all Hamas members to be annihilated, sadly we don’t know how many there are but probably far more than we expect.

Now answer my question please

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 05/04/2025 19:23

JandamiHash · 05/04/2025 19:11

Do you know what was the first thing that did happen? Neighbouring Arabs invaded Israel - literally on day 1. To slaughter Jews. That’s where this started. Did you know that?

That’s because for six months before Day 1, Jewish terrorist groups and militias had massacred entire villages of Palestinians resulting in over 250,000 Palestinians fleeing to those neighbouring countries as refugees. And when the Arab League ‘invaded’ they did not invade any land that the UN 1947 Partition had designated for the state of Israel. They attempted to defend those lands that the partition had set aside for the state of Palestine.

RitaFromThePitCanteen · 05/04/2025 19:24

YANBU. Israel's current actions are abhorrent. But I think I've always known why Israel gets so much more attention than other countries that commit similar atrocities.

JandamiHash · 05/04/2025 19:24

RitaFromThePitCanteen · 05/04/2025 19:24

YANBU. Israel's current actions are abhorrent. But I think I've always known why Israel gets so much more attention than other countries that commit similar atrocities.

And why is that?

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 05/04/2025 19:25

JandamiHash · 05/04/2025 19:20

Well you’re 75 years too late on that one. And it was given fairly and squarely after being stolen from the Jews.

Are you anti-asylum then? Or just when it’s Jews trying to seek asylum?

Not all of the land Israel occupies was given to them. If by fair and square you mean the UN partition.

RitaFromThePitCanteen · 05/04/2025 19:27

JandamiHash · 05/04/2025 19:24

And why is that?

Amazingly disingenuous response.

On the off-chance you're actually serious: antisemitism.

JandamiHash · 05/04/2025 19:28

RitaFromThePitCanteen · 05/04/2025 19:27

Amazingly disingenuous response.

On the off-chance you're actually serious: antisemitism.

Ah - I thought you were gonna say something like because they control the media 🤣 but no, I’m a Jewish ally and I agree with you

Penathought · 05/04/2025 19:29

The reduction of the number of Christians in Gaza and Palestine over the last 10-15 years is due to Israel's persecution of them. Palestinian Christians have to go through the same checkpoints as Muslims, etc. I know Christian Palestinians living in Beit Sahour (the town of the shepherds) who are unable to go to Jerusalem because they can't get permits. It is often easier for Christians to emigrate than Muslims, so they go. You can read Rev. Munther Isaac's sermon https://www.indcatholicnews.com/news/51360 for a Christian perspective

Rev Munther Isaac: Christ is still in the Rubble - full text | ICN

Palestinian Christian, Rev Dr Munther Isaac, gave the following Christmas message to the world today, at a peace service in the Evangelical Lutheran Christmas Church in Bethlehem. The full text follows:It has been 440 days. 440 days of constant bombi...

https://www.indcatholicnews.com/news/51360

effie19 · 05/04/2025 19:30

JandamiHash · 05/04/2025 19:21

Well I’d like all Hamas members to be annihilated, sadly we don’t know how many there are but probably far more than we expect.

Now answer my question please

How is that an answer to my question? I didn't ask you what you wanted.

Whatthewhatwhatwhat · 05/04/2025 19:31

RitaFromThePitCanteen · 05/04/2025 19:24

YANBU. Israel's current actions are abhorrent. But I think I've always known why Israel gets so much more attention than other countries that commit similar atrocities.

Israel gets more attention in the west because it is actively supported by western governments. More importantly, it is currently the deadliest conflict happening in the world right now.

I personally give Israel more attention because I'm Jewish and lots of my family/friends/acquaintances support Israel and expect me to support them too.

Twiglets1 · 05/04/2025 19:35

AccountCreateUsername · 05/04/2025 19:17

Do you really believe that? I don’t think you do. I think you know that is a lie.

The picture is far from clear but as several media sources report Hamas-run health ministry quietly removes thousands from Gaza death toll, researchers find.

https://www.euronews.com/2025/04/03/hamas-run-health-ministry-quietly-removes-thousands-from-gaza-death-toll-researchers-find

Hamas-run health ministry quietly removes thousands from Gaza death toll, researchers find

Hamas suspected of manipulating Gaza death toll, research shows

Some 3,400 names were removed from the most recent death reports from the Strip, raising concerns of inflated figures by Hamas.

https://www.euronews.com/2025/04/03/hamas-run-health-ministry-quietly-removes-thousands-from-gaza-death-toll-researchers-find

Wildflowers99 · 05/04/2025 19:37

beezlebubnicky · 05/04/2025 14:56

I don't see that the state of Israel is the only power waging a war that's being condemned. There have been deaths on both sides but Israel is trying to obliterate Palestinians out of existence.

Israel is a settler colony that annexed land that didn't belong to it in the first place. They've commited war crimes and murdered countless Palestinian men, women and children. Not to mention the suffering of those left behind.

I don't hate Jewish people or their religion and there are many people in the Jewish diaspora who also condemn the actions of Israel. I understand why Israel exists, but the memory of the Holocaust should not be used to justify a new genocide of Arab people.

But equally people only seem to care about ‘annexation’ when it’s Israel.

At the time Israel was created, MANY borders were redefined. Palestine got off lightly compared to Jews, compared to Germans, compared to Brits, compared to Japan. Millions of people had been brutally slaughtered, entire cities had been levelled, the Japanese were living under a cloud of nuclear ash and Jewish people had been sadistically killed in the millions. Other countries lost territory, other groups were displaced. Yet we harp on and on about Palestine like it’s the ONLY place that suffered.

Maryleport · 05/04/2025 19:37

cindyhove · 05/04/2025 18:56

Bethlehem is not in Gaza. And as an aside do you know how many Christian’s have been allowed to stay there??
As of 2023, Bethlehem’s Christian population is estimated to be around 10,000 individuals out of a total population of approximately 75,500 residents. This reflects a significant decline from 1950, when Christians made up 86% of Bethlehem’s population

No I never said that I’ve only been to Bethlehem!! I said I’ve been there I meant Gaza and there was a couple of small churches, and I’ve been to Bethlehem. Ive travelled the occupied Territories. It wasn’t pleasant to learn many thing , it was an eye opener. There is zero point lying about the no church thing’

there are Christian’s and there was church in Gaza.I only saw 2 to be fair, but there was quite a few in the territories as once upon a time it was a pleasant place to live a simple life. I’ve spoken to a many dofferent people and the lies that are told because people assume many don’t travel to those parts. I worked in an industry that allowed me to travel to many different parts of the world for a good few years, and that gave me insight into things

Penathought · 05/04/2025 19:38

I don't think you read my post correctly. They take civilian prisoners who have not committed any crime. They then keep them in 'administrative detention' for months on end, sometimes years. They often don't know what the charges against them are. Read more about this https://www.btselem.org/topic/administrative_detention

JandamiHash · 05/04/2025 19:40

effie19 · 05/04/2025 19:30

How is that an answer to my question? I didn't ask you what you wanted.

You asked where my total tally was

I gave it to you.

I take it you’re not going to answer that, if October 7th happened in your country and the targets you want caught are hidden amongst civilians, what then?

JandamiHash · 05/04/2025 19:41

Penathought · 05/04/2025 19:38

I don't think you read my post correctly. They take civilian prisoners who have not committed any crime. They then keep them in 'administrative detention' for months on end, sometimes years. They often don't know what the charges against them are. Read more about this https://www.btselem.org/topic/administrative_detention

Glad you’ve used an impartial reputable source

effie19 · 05/04/2025 19:43

JandamiHash · 05/04/2025 19:40

You asked where my total tally was

I gave it to you.

I take it you’re not going to answer that, if October 7th happened in your country and the targets you want caught are hidden amongst civilians, what then?

Do you know what a tally is?

I like to think that strategically we'd do something much better, more tactical, and more decent than has been done. But I'm no Military Commander.

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