Page 7 | Anti Israel Rhetoric is rife. Why?

cindyhove · 2025-04-05T13:19:45+00:00

As of April 5, 2025, numerous armed conflicts are ongoing worldwide, varying in scale and intensity. According to the Geneva Academy of International Humanitarian Law and Human Rights, over 110 armed conflicts are currently being monitored, encompassing both international and non-international engagements. why is israel the only one to be demonised out of the current 110 conflicts? The answer is blindingly obvious

JandamiHash · 05/04/2025 18:32

effie19 · 05/04/2025 18:06

That's not a justification

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If members of another country came in to your homeland, raped and murdered with impunity including babies, how would you want your government to react?

Comedycook · 05/04/2025 18:33

Mylegishangingoff · 05/04/2025 18:24

Do you realise the strong anti-Jewish hatred in neighbouring countries? If you were surrounded by nations that wanted you dead for merely existing how would you feel?

Well I'm sure the rampant occupying they do of other nations doesnt help matters there. Let's not pretend Israel is sitting around merely existing while all of those other horrid countries hate on them. From the Nakba at its very creation where they raped and murdered(we've all seen those disgusting videos of the old Israeli men laughing about how they raped and slaughtered Palestinians back then) it's taken its place in the world through extreme violence but you expected that everyone would just go cool, I know you raped and murdered my mum, and ethnically cleansed all of my relatives but let's be friends

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Jews were ethnically cleansed from the me and north Africa... however I don't see too many people being bothered about that though.

There are fifty islamic countries in the world and one Jewish one which still has a 20% Muslim population ....

Maryleport · 05/04/2025 18:33

Hoardasurass · 05/04/2025 14:39

There are no churches in gaza nor were there before the war and no Israel are not being antisemitic

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I went years ago and the oldest church in was there! And I went to the nativity church in Bethlehem, and another one that was so small and cute but cant remember the name. Disgusting lies. Mumsnet should check these lies as many don’t travel much and wouldn’t know the truth, but what utter lies about no churches, and no Christians. One should read Isaac munther a Palestine Christian’s story, he is amazing.

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cindyhove · 05/04/2025 18:35

Mylegishangingoff · 05/04/2025 16:15

Aid has been blocked for over a month. Why are you calling it an 'idea' like it isn't a reality?

One month since Israel closed all crossings to Gaza for goods, all UN-supported bakeries have closed, markets are empty of most fresh vegetables and hospitals are rationing painkillers and antibiotics.

Edited because my link wasn't working but obviously it's all over the news. It's pretty disgusting that people are denying this.

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And the crossing into Egypt? Why do they not support their “brethren”? Because they know exactly who they are!

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Swiftie1878 · 05/04/2025 18:35

verysmellyjelly · 05/04/2025 18:31

Nothing will get through to those who are set on defending Hamas, sadly.

And the same for Israel.

Hamas is a despicable organisation.
Israel is supposed to be a civilised state. That is what has shocked me. I’m very unhappy with how it has responded and am struggling to find any defence for a lot of its actions.

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cindyhove · 05/04/2025 18:37

MJOkayy · 05/04/2025 16:51

Because Israel is committing genocide and ethnic cleansing and they r slaughtering children on an unprecedented level.

Most people don't like to watch babies being blown to bits or toddlers orphaned. Most people can't tolerate a genocide unfolding in front of their eyes

Netenyahu is a psychopath.

No e we don’t like seeing babies killed. So why blame israel when hammas is the cause?
Cause and effect? Yeh it’s a thing!

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effie19 · 05/04/2025 18:37

JandamiHash · 05/04/2025 18:32

If members of another country came in to your homeland, raped and murdered with impunity including babies, how would you want your government to react?

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Probably actively target the perpetrators rather than the nation.

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cindyhove · 05/04/2025 18:37

surreygirlzz · 05/04/2025 16:31

Hamas started this 7/10
Civilians die in every war
Always have
Always will
All Hamas had to do was return the hostages over a year ago
Every Palestinian death is on them

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Wildflowers99 · 05/04/2025 18:37

everythingeverything1981 · 05/04/2025 18:22

Not slaughter innocent people?

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So you disapprove of our tactics during WW2 then? You wouldn’t have authorised the bombing of Germany?

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cindyhove · 05/04/2025 18:38

Ontheproverbialball · 05/04/2025 16:32

This is not what I see here, or in RL. People who support Palestine overwhelmingly hate Israel and either deny what Hamas did on Oct 7th or justify it, or even celebrate it. I’ve had real life conversation like this.
It is really obvious that people are laying all the blame on Israel. I feel it’s dishonest to pretend this is not what is happening.

No other group of people against whom such an atrocity was committed, would so quickly have had people turn their faces away from them. There was a pro-Palestine group in the UK that applied for a pro-Palestine rally WHILST the October 7 th massacre was occuring . Posters of hostages were torn down. It’s been appalling. This is true dehumanization happening right before our eyes in Britain. And people aren’t even acknowledging it is happening, let alone condemning it

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So sadly true

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Penathought · 05/04/2025 18:38

Many Jews disagree with what Israel is doing to Palestinians, whether in Gaza or the West Bank. Even many Israelis, including the families of hostages who accuse Netanyahu and his Government of prioritising land grab over getting the hostages back. So it is not antisemitic to criticise Israel. And while I agree that antisemitism is defined as a hate of Jews, being a semite does not necessarily means being a Jew, Arabs on the Mediterranean east coast are also semites.

OhCalmTheFuckDownMargaret · 05/04/2025 18:38

With respect guys you're just not going to get a balanced debate out of Cindyhove

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cindyhove · 05/04/2025 18:39

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 05/04/2025 17:01

Oh knock it off OP. Why don’t you stop butchering in massive quantities, instead of doing it anyway then claiming to be a victim of antisemItism. What gaslighting. The whole world knows you’ve gone far enough, and way beyond.

The whole world??
And as for gaslighting you are sadly very much on the wrong side of reality

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effie19 · 05/04/2025 18:40

cindyhove · 05/04/2025 18:37

No e we don’t like seeing babies killed. So why blame israel when hammas is the cause?
Cause and effect? Yeh it’s a thing!

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So Hamas' actions in October was the first thing that happened was it? Since you're so eye for an eye, where's your total tally?

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cindyhove · 05/04/2025 18:43

JandamiHash · 05/04/2025 17:09

It must be terrifying to be Jewish. No political side to call home. The far left hate Jews but never say it out loud. The far right hate Jews and are open about it. And yet everyone claims they’re just “anti-Israel”. Funny how atrocities in Iraq and Afghanistan, especially against women and girls (including legalising rape of children in the former) doesn’t attract people saying Islamophobia isn’t a thing or making demands of U.K. Muslims to renounce these countries. Funny that.

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Exactly the point of my OP. it is only wrong when the Jews do it. It’s ok for the other 100+ conflict areas to kill others. Just israel is not allowed to protect themselves.
the only reason for that is Jew hate.
just remember all you alleged Christian’s, Muslims and everything else you only came out of JUDAISM

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cindyhove · 05/04/2025 18:44

Letstheriveranswer · 05/04/2025 17:48

YANBU OP, but YABU to post it here as we all know what this thread will become.
There is no genocide except the one that certain radical Islamist factions are trying to carry out on the only Jewish state. Those factions have played a long game of media manipulation over very many years, tapping into existing antisemitis so now people believe them because 24% if the world population is Muslim and people are bending over backwards to not piss them off because we know they'll kick off in violent ways.
It's far easier to incessantly focus on every move Israel makes. Even if Israel had never put a single foot wrong (which is a standard no country has ever reached) it would be the same. The Arabs didn't want Israel resurrected in that spot (excuse the mixed religious metaphor) because Islam cannot conceive that they will ever cede land they consider they have taken, and they have chosen that tiny strip of land as the hill they want to die on. Plus the grand Mufti of Jerusalem was in league with Hitler.

Nobody ever talks about the 900,000 Jews living in Arab lands who were expelled and had to flee to Israel where they were absorbed. Or the Jews living in North Africa who were rounded up and sent to concentration camps in Europe.

Yes the war has been horrendous and the horrendousness of it has largely been created by Hamas. At any point they could have handed the hostages back, but they did not. They have hundreds of miles of underground shelters they could have let their population use, but they did not. They could have abandoned their expressed desire to have one Muslim state from river to sea, but they did not. They could have not invaded Israel and raped, tortured and murdered hundreds of civilians, but they did.

I used to have a lot of sympathy for the Palestinian cause as they were caught as pawns in a situation that benefitted only the wider middle east but I have no sympathy left now. Empathy for human suffering, yes. But no sympathy for their cause. They have kille, both literally and metaphorically, the left wing in Israel who wanted to find peace.

I have many issues with Netanyahu and members of his government. I don't know if there was an alternative way to prosecute the war because I am not a military expert. However high level western military experts have been, and investigated what is happening and concluded everything is above board in the way it's being carried out. The end result may be horrendous, all war is horrendous, and things happen in war that should never happen. But it is not genocide.

By the way Hamas have already significantly revised down their death figures announced last week, for those who like to closely follow and repeat the figures announced by a homicidal terrorist organisation.

I follow various news sourced both UK, Israeli and other overseas sources and the level to which the UK news is biased is truly shocking. The antisemitism I have seen in society is truly shocking. No, it is not antisemitic to criticise Israel in the same way as any other country. But how many times have you heard anyone say that any other country created as a result of decolonisation after WW2 - also along sometimes difficult partitions and with a lot of upheaval - shouldn't exist because people don't like something they have done? The excessive focus on Israel to the exclusion of all other countries and struggles in the world, and the leap to say it should not exist, (which is basically because the Arab countries said they didn't want it to exist and have consistently kicked off since about it existing) IS antisemitic.

I see it very clearly now and I also see - and this is now a widespread view amongst Jews - that there is no future for Jews in Europe as the demographics of Europe are changing. At least we do now have another country to go to, and the last 18 months have proven how important it is that Israel does exist.

So articulate!

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cindyhove · 05/04/2025 18:46

Remainsofthehay · 05/04/2025 17:49

It really is. I wish there was a block feature here. There are some posters who again and again, bend themselves out of shape in support of Israel.

The mental gymnastics required to defend the slaughter of 15,000 babies and children makes me feel very unwell.

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Go find a bucket

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cindyhove · 05/04/2025 18:47

Dery · 05/04/2025 17:17

@Odras has nailed it. This:

“As anti semitism is very real. However there has been an attempt to shut down legitimate criticism of the actions of the Israeli government by calling this criticism anti semitism. And unfortunately far right parties are also jumping on this despite being racist themselves. It’s more about dividing people who would be allies really and it does no favours to your average Jewish person who is suffering in the very real uptick of antisemitism that is happening.”

Anti-semitism is horrifying and real. It is not, however, anti-semitic to criticise actions led by Netanyahu any more than it is anti-Islamic to criticise Hamas. It has to be possible to express critical views of any government and any state. Without that, what happens to the checks and balances? Look at North Korea. Look at Russia. Look at Iran. Look at what happens when a government or state decides it is above criticism. It is a dangerous thing. Nowhere is perfect and it would be deeply troubling to live in a world where all criticism of governments/states is routinely shut down.

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I have no issue with believing that a government can be - and often is - wrong. However the point of the OP is that israel is disproportionally vilified

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Swiftie1878 · 05/04/2025 18:48

cindyhove · 05/04/2025 18:39

The whole world??
And as for gaslighting you are sadly very much on the wrong side of reality

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OK. Taking a breath for a minute…
You started by asking a very pointed question.
You have received numerous replies, but have clearly not given any of them any credence.

And therein lies the problem. Neither side can even for one second try to see things from a different perspective.

Anti-Israel feeling is increasing. What Israel is doing and its supporters are currently saying is not persuading people. I had a lot of sympathy for both sides before this latest conflict. My sympathy for Israel is waning. A lot of people I have spoken to about the conflict feel the same way, if anything they’ve lost more faith than I have that Israel is behaving appropriately.

If you won’t listen, you won’t learn. So why ask the question and then ignore the message? To stir things up? To exert your ire?
Let’s stop being disingenuous, and have a proper conversation.

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cindyhove · 05/04/2025 18:48

JandamiHash · 05/04/2025 17:18

Also Israel is not the first, or even the most recent, to have people displaced due to immigration/giving of land. But it’s the only example that people lose their shit over en-masse. Ask yourself why. The Jewish people got Israel fair and square and frankly if I’d been tortured in a concentration camp for years,literally seen all my family die, then leave to find my home gone and that I was not welcome ANYWHERE in the world because rather than sympathy I was met with abject hate again, and that Holocaust 2.0 could happen any moment, I’d frankly grab the opportunity with both hands too.

The Jewish people and Israelis have turned Israel into a very liberal openly women and LGBT friendly democracy too. They didn’t waste it. Yet they’re the bad guys

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HTH1 · 05/04/2025 18:49