Anti Israel Rhetoric is rife. Why?

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As of April 5, 2025, numerous armed conflicts are ongoing worldwide, varying in scale and intensity. According to the Geneva Academy of International Humanitarian Law and Human Rights, over 110 armed conflicts are currently being monitored, encompassing both international and non-international engagements.
why is israel the only one to be demonised out of the current 110 conflicts?
The answer is blindingly obvious

Defending war criminals.

What does shoot first ask questions later mean then in relation to them shooting and killing 3 half naked unarmed men waving white flags if not shoot people on sight? You said you fully expect the IDF to shoot and kill people and then ask questions later how else can that possibly be read but you advocating for killing people then stopping to think about who they are.

No one here but you(and twiglet who is weirdly obsessed with that) has mentioned no civillian casualties. So you can save your patronising distractions. You know what you said. You know what you defended.

It’s not a binary thing though.

I believe that yes, there will always be ‘friendly fire’ incidents and civilian deaths in war.

I also believe that when those incidents and deaths are due to the ‘shoot first and think later’ attitude someone said they ‘expect’ from soldiers, those soldiers should be considered to have broken the law and be punished accordingly.

I’m unsure whether or not you agree with that?

You keep repeating that these things happen in other wars too. Everyone knows that. Literally nobody has denied that. When people condemn such behaviour, why do you feel it necessary to respond with the fact it happens in other wars. Of course it does, nobody has disputed that.

Rape happens in wars, murder happens in wars, torture happens in wars, the fact that these things happen in all wars doesn’t mean people can’t utterly condemn them happening (on BOTH sides) in this war, surely?

I can't believe someone on here said they expect the IDF to shoot first and ask later. People have gone fucking mad in their defense for the IDF.

Yes we still have people who seem to think the October 7th massacre of innocents was justifiable.

This thread has really emboldened some posters to say the quiet part out loud.

You say you haven’t defended the right to shoot on sight @dairydebrisbut you did say that you fully expect soldiers (including IDF soldiers) to “shoot first and ask questions later”. Perhaps your wording was more ambiguous than intended as to someone reading your words, which is all we can go on, it sounded very much like you were saying that approach is necessary and therefore acceptable.

Can you quote anyone at all who has said that?

No, I never said that.

Do I think its possible to avoid pulling over 15 aid workers and killing them at close range one by one then burying them in the sand with their vehicles. Yes absolutely.

Do I think it is possible to avoid aiming your gun at and shooting half naked unarmed men waving white flags? Absolutely.

There is a massive gap between that and saying you can avoid killing civillians altogether and if you can't see that then I don't know what to tell you.

I'd fully expect any soldier to shoot first and think later

This is how much Palestinians lives are worth to those passionately defending the war criminals.

I think this is well explained, exactly this.

I do utterly condemn those things happening on both sides. And have said all along that soldiers should be investigated & punished if they have broken the rules of engagement.

You’re the one that’s obsessed with only criticising one side. Weirdly not the side who started the war & not the side that doesn’t care about protecting their own people.

It’s one person’s opinion on what happens in war not their attitude to “Palestinian lives”

You condemn it but then start going on and on post after post repeating something I never said? Why? Just say I agree, those poor people should never have killed.

No one has explicitly said it but we can infer it from the justifications using the history of the region to “explain” why Hamas were so angry on behalf of the Palestinian people.

As if anything can explain a massacre out of the blue and unprovoked.

I said I expect all soldiers to sometimes shoot first and think later. Israeli, British, American, Russian, whatever.

You're beyond naive if you believe in a heavy fire fight, sight obscured with smoke, your friend blown up next to you, in fear for your life, utterly deafened by gunfire, a soldier is able to hold fire, calmly analyze potential targets, and then make a judgement call with 100% accuracy 100% of the time. It's impossible. That's why civilians die. That's why friendly fire incidents happen. That's why those poor hostages, who should never have been there in the first place, were shot. War is a tragedy beyond your comprehension.
You've got absolutely no idea what the reality of war is. None.

Which is why Hamas should not have started it.

Hamas are fucking disgusting. They’re vile, inhuman, evil, cruel and barbaric. I’ve said nothing to make you assume I think otherwise.

But you’re only mentioning the IDF and not Hamas murdering people in cold blood - why?

And yet you enthusiastically agree with posters who never mention the atrocities of the IDF or excuse them all as mistakes and say that they fully expect them to shoot people first then wonder who they are? Why aren't you questioning them too?

I hope I’m wrong like people were about Northern Ireland before peace, but I fear it will be impossible for some people with strong opinions on either ‘side’ of this (for want of a better word) to find peace.

People are asked for sources and evidence then told whatever source or evidence they present is biased / propaganda / misinformation. On both sides.

People are asked to condemn indefensible acts to show they are not blindly supporting the actions of their ‘side’ but applying critical thinking. Too often the answer is either ‘but Hamas’ or ‘but Israel’ instead of simply condemning something horrific their ‘side’ has done.

It feels utterly hopeless.

I already said it at 11.41 today @Mylegishangingoff

I said, I don’t agree with soldiers shooting people who appeared to be surrendering.
It seems likely that the stress of war conditions is getting to some of the IDF mentally and they are not behaving as they should. And I think that’s understandable to an extent but they still have to be held to account.

That's not what you said. Here it is to refresh your memory. There no sometimes.

I'd fully expect any soldier to shoot first and think later, that's why friendly fire incidents are sadly so common in war.

I joined the conversation today when it had specifically turned to the ambulance / friendly fire incidents.

Hamas have murdered, raped and tortured on a terrifying scale themselves. They are a reprehensible terrorist organisation and their behaviour is evil. They are also cowards for their use of human shields.

Again, I don’t believe I’ve done anything to suggest I believe otherwise.

You already said what? You've already been hassling posters who haven't condemned Israel to do it? Where?

No I don't agree with all of their posts only some of their posts.

The point has already been made that just because we are pro Israel that doesn't mean we all see things exactly the same way.