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Conflict in the Middle East

Anti Israel Rhetoric is rife. Why?

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cindyhove · 05/04/2025 14:19

As of April 5, 2025, numerous armed conflicts are ongoing worldwide, varying in scale and intensity. According to the Geneva Academy of International Humanitarian Law and Human Rights, over 110 armed conflicts are currently being monitored, encompassing both international and non-international engagements.
why is israel the only one to be demonised out of the current 110 conflicts?
The answer is blindingly obvious

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Twiglets1 · 07/04/2025 20:34

Martymcfly24 · 07/04/2025 20:17

@Twiglets1 Im idealistic because what's the alternative more bloodshed? I saw a video of a father hugging his dead 6 year old today she has a bobble in her hair like mine has, to think when someone tied her hair up that morning they had no idea it would be the last time . And I'm not point scoring here because I cried when I saw Yarden Bibas apologizing to his family for not protecting them . There has just been too many lives ruined.

I never thought I would see peace in Northern Ireland but there is a way forward.

Well this is where we agree ... too many lives ruined on both sides.

I think the main way we differ is that you seem to think Hamas could be negotiated with and I don't. I believe them when they say their goal is Israel's Complete and Utter Destruction.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/hamas-covenant-israel-attack-war-genocide/675602/

Understanding Hamas’s Genocidal Ideology

A close read of Hamas’s founding documents clearly shows its intentions.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/hamas-covenant-israel-attack-war-genocide/675602/

Martymcfly24 · 07/04/2025 20:39

Twiglets1 · 07/04/2025 20:34

Well this is where we agree ... too many lives ruined on both sides.

I think the main way we differ is that you seem to think Hamas could be negotiated with and I don't. I believe them when they say their goal is Israel's Complete and Utter Destruction.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/hamas-covenant-israel-attack-war-genocide/675602/

And you are probably correct there but conversely I don't believe Israel will every give up their control over Gaza and the West Bank.

Mylegishangingoff · 07/04/2025 20:43

PollyPaintsFlowers · 07/04/2025 17:33

I'm sure conditions in Gaza are awful, war is terrible, what did they think would happen after October 7th? They were as evil as I think it's possible for humans to be, did they really think Israel wouldn't do a thing? Even after their leaders went on television and promised to do it again? They're not children. They have agency. What did they expect?

You are waffling and didn't answer my questions. Who do you trust to tell the truth about what is happening in Gaza? How do you know that the population in Gaza has risen, can you give the numbers you used and where you got them from?

Twiglets1 · 07/04/2025 20:45

Martymcfly24 · 07/04/2025 20:39

And you are probably correct there but conversely I don't believe Israel will every give up their control over Gaza and the West Bank.

And you are probably correct there.

cindyhove · 07/04/2025 21:24

Kakeandkake · 07/04/2025 18:06

The world sees Israel in it's real colours. Have you not seen the protests globally against Israel? A terrorist state that starves and murders Palestinian children.

thats my point. Its not "israel's "real colours"" It is not a terrorist state not deliverately sterves and murders palestinian children. That is a warped and totally wrong thing to say. Yes I have seen the ongoing protests - and if anyone who supports them realises what and who they are actually supporting are murderers and want to annihilate any jewish state and have - and continue to say that is their aim - "from the river to the sea". Whatever israel ever offers to try and create a peaceful middle east that is the reality.
Its anti israel and anti jewish and there is no getting away from that fact. The world hates the jews as if they have no right to live anywhere.
Where would you like the 7.5 million jews in Israel (out of a population of 10 million) to go? You want them on your street? Your next door neighbour? I bet not!

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cindyhove · 07/04/2025 21:33

Israel is 9.6% of the area of the UK - not including Gaza or the West Bank which are under palestinian control.
The arab countries surrounding Israel are 150 times larger,
Uk is 243,610km
Arab countries surrounding Israel are 13.132,327 km.
Now tell me who has the land in the middle east

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Mylegishangingoff · 07/04/2025 21:37

cindyhove · 07/04/2025 21:24

thats my point. Its not "israel's "real colours"" It is not a terrorist state not deliverately sterves and murders palestinian children. That is a warped and totally wrong thing to say. Yes I have seen the ongoing protests - and if anyone who supports them realises what and who they are actually supporting are murderers and want to annihilate any jewish state and have - and continue to say that is their aim - "from the river to the sea". Whatever israel ever offers to try and create a peaceful middle east that is the reality.
Its anti israel and anti jewish and there is no getting away from that fact. The world hates the jews as if they have no right to live anywhere.
Where would you like the 7.5 million jews in Israel (out of a population of 10 million) to go? You want them on your street? Your next door neighbour? I bet not!

For a world that hates them so much Israel sure have gotten a lot of support, weapons, billions of dollars, countries refusing to vote on ceasefire resolutions, countries refusing to sanction them for breaking international law, fly overs from the RAF to name but a few.

This where would you like them to go thing doesn't fly. What happened on Oct 7 was awful, terrible, barbaric and Israel have received support in spades. It's clear that 'the world' doesn't expect them to go anywhere. Some people would just really like it if they would stick to International law instead of making a joke of it by bareface lying about what is happening and expecting everyone to nod along like idiots. This constant trying to shame and guilt people to shut up and accept that the laws that make us all safer now should mean nothing because Israel want to do as they please is tiresome.

CrunchyKnees · 07/04/2025 21:38

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Seriously? Poor Jeremy Corbyn?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/document-lists-9-instances-of-anti-semitism-by-corbyn-among-thousands-in-labour/amp/

Now imagine he had expressed and allowed anti-Muslim sentiment instead. Would you still say ‘poor Jeremy Corbyn’?

Didn’t he call Hamas and Hezbollah ‘friends’?

https://www.cufi.org.uk/news/corbyn-did-not-just-call-hamas-his-friends-he-said-much-worse-but-too-many-ignored-it/

I mean did he really take part in the laying of a wreath at the memorial for the Palestinian terrorists who massacred the Israeli Olympic team in Munich? It seems the complaint to the press watchdog by the Labour Party on reports that he had were later dropped.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/13/jeremy-corbyn-not-involved-munich-olympics-massacre-wreath-laying

Here’s something else:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-terrorism-uk-foreign-policy-manchester-terror-attack-tory-security-minister-ben-wallace-a7756861.html

‘Poor’ Jeremy indeed. It’s quite surprising he wasn’t ever investigated for support for a designated terrorist organisation which is a crime in the UK.

Jeremy Corbyn: I was present at wreath-laying but don't think I was involved

Labour leader rows with Israeli PM over ceremony for individuals from group behind Munich massacre

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/13/jeremy-corbyn-not-involved-munich-olympics-massacre-wreath-laying

cindyhove · 07/04/2025 21:39

They stick to international law. Are there mistakes sometimes? Yes of course there are but that does not define genocide or ethnic cleansing

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Mylegishangingoff · 07/04/2025 21:46

cindyhove · 07/04/2025 21:39

They stick to international law. Are there mistakes sometimes? Yes of course there are but that does not define genocide or ethnic cleansing

The killing of multiple aid workers. Preventing aid from reaching innocent people. Have you not read whistle blower accounts of torture or of killing everyone who enters certain zones just because. These aren't mistakes, you don't kill 15 people one by one then crush life saving medical equipment and bury 15 bodies and vehicles in a mass grave and then lie about what hapoened by mistake. You don't torture people by mistake. These are breaking international law Cindy. You may be willing to nod along and that's fine but trying to shame people who don't feel that way and would really like International law to be abided by for all of our safety including yours is not on.

mouthpipette · 07/04/2025 21:49

CrunchyKnees · 07/04/2025 21:38

Seriously? Poor Jeremy Corbyn?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/document-lists-9-instances-of-anti-semitism-by-corbyn-among-thousands-in-labour/amp/

Now imagine he had expressed and allowed anti-Muslim sentiment instead. Would you still say ‘poor Jeremy Corbyn’?

Didn’t he call Hamas and Hezbollah ‘friends’?

https://www.cufi.org.uk/news/corbyn-did-not-just-call-hamas-his-friends-he-said-much-worse-but-too-many-ignored-it/

I mean did he really take part in the laying of a wreath at the memorial for the Palestinian terrorists who massacred the Israeli Olympic team in Munich? It seems the complaint to the press watchdog by the Labour Party on reports that he had were later dropped.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/13/jeremy-corbyn-not-involved-munich-olympics-massacre-wreath-laying

Here’s something else:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-terrorism-uk-foreign-policy-manchester-terror-attack-tory-security-minister-ben-wallace-a7756861.html

‘Poor’ Jeremy indeed. It’s quite surprising he wasn’t ever investigated for support for a designated terrorist organisation which is a crime in the UK.

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You forgot the Mural !!

Twiglets1 · 07/04/2025 21:52

Corbyn really was a liability for the Labour Party.

Nads0622 · 07/04/2025 21:52

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Some of your rhetoric around the media is problematic.

CrunchyKnees · 07/04/2025 22:08

Mylegishangingoff · 07/04/2025 21:46

The killing of multiple aid workers. Preventing aid from reaching innocent people. Have you not read whistle blower accounts of torture or of killing everyone who enters certain zones just because. These aren't mistakes, you don't kill 15 people one by one then crush life saving medical equipment and bury 15 bodies and vehicles in a mass grave and then lie about what hapoened by mistake. You don't torture people by mistake. These are breaking international law Cindy. You may be willing to nod along and that's fine but trying to shame people who don't feel that way and would really like International law to be abided by for all of our safety including yours is not on.

8 of those ‘medics’ were identified as Hamas and PIJ members going to the aid of a Hamas group who has just been involved in a firefight with the IDF.

How disgusting that those terrorist’s actions meant innocent lives were lost and life saving medical equipment was destroyed, no?

Their bodies were covered to prevent wild animals getting them and the UN was informed immediately of their position for collection.

You don’t believe they were terrorists because Israel says so. I mean they could have said all 15 were terrorists couldn’t they?

There was an estimate that Hamas had 35,000 members plus there will have been more recruits (whether they wanted to or not) during the war, plus civilian collaborators.

In which case where do you think all these terrorists and their supporters in Gaza are hiding?

In which place and circumstances do you think it’s acceptable for the IDF to say they’ve killed terrorists and you would believe them? When they’re in uniform? Oh but what if they’re only pretending and not really a terrorist?

Do you want the IDF to capture all the terrorists alive? How would you suggest they do that?

You really think the IDF get bored, have loads of time on their hands and infinite resources, and just decide to start firing and bombing at anybody they fancy risking their own lives by return fire or giving away their position?

I mean they must do, all those evil Jewish (Arab and Druze too) 18, 19 and 20 year old (20 is the average age I think) young men and women, most of whom would be classed as children under Hamas figures.

Polka83 · 07/04/2025 22:19

CrunchyKnees · 07/04/2025 22:08

8 of those ‘medics’ were identified as Hamas and PIJ members going to the aid of a Hamas group who has just been involved in a firefight with the IDF.

How disgusting that those terrorist’s actions meant innocent lives were lost and life saving medical equipment was destroyed, no?

Their bodies were covered to prevent wild animals getting them and the UN was informed immediately of their position for collection.

You don’t believe they were terrorists because Israel says so. I mean they could have said all 15 were terrorists couldn’t they?

There was an estimate that Hamas had 35,000 members plus there will have been more recruits (whether they wanted to or not) during the war, plus civilian collaborators.

In which case where do you think all these terrorists and their supporters in Gaza are hiding?

In which place and circumstances do you think it’s acceptable for the IDF to say they’ve killed terrorists and you would believe them? When they’re in uniform? Oh but what if they’re only pretending and not really a terrorist?

Do you want the IDF to capture all the terrorists alive? How would you suggest they do that?

You really think the IDF get bored, have loads of time on their hands and infinite resources, and just decide to start firing and bombing at anybody they fancy risking their own lives by return fire or giving away their position?

I mean they must do, all those evil Jewish (Arab and Druze too) 18, 19 and 20 year old (20 is the average age I think) young men and women, most of whom would be classed as children under Hamas figures.

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« 8 of those ‘medics’ were identified as Hamas and PIJ members«
source please - and not just because IDF say so. What is their proof?

CrunchyKnees · 07/04/2025 22:26

Polka83 · 07/04/2025 22:19

« 8 of those ‘medics’ were identified as Hamas and PIJ members«
source please - and not just because IDF say so. What is their proof?

Where’s the proof they were not?

Because Hamas says so?

Why didn’t the IDF say they were all Hamas?

Surely looks better to all us blood thirsty, child killer justifiers, pro-Israel numb nuts who believe all they say?

Martymcfly24 · 07/04/2025 22:29

@CrunchyKnees
Their bodies were covered to prevent wild animals getting them and the UN was informed immediately of their position for collection.

Must have been some animal that could have eaten an ambulance too.

And the UN wasn't allowed on the site for four days after.

Mylegishangingoff · 07/04/2025 22:30

CrunchyKnees · 07/04/2025 22:08

8 of those ‘medics’ were identified as Hamas and PIJ members going to the aid of a Hamas group who has just been involved in a firefight with the IDF.

How disgusting that those terrorist’s actions meant innocent lives were lost and life saving medical equipment was destroyed, no?

Their bodies were covered to prevent wild animals getting them and the UN was informed immediately of their position for collection.

You don’t believe they were terrorists because Israel says so. I mean they could have said all 15 were terrorists couldn’t they?

There was an estimate that Hamas had 35,000 members plus there will have been more recruits (whether they wanted to or not) during the war, plus civilian collaborators.

In which case where do you think all these terrorists and their supporters in Gaza are hiding?

In which place and circumstances do you think it’s acceptable for the IDF to say they’ve killed terrorists and you would believe them? When they’re in uniform? Oh but what if they’re only pretending and not really a terrorist?

Do you want the IDF to capture all the terrorists alive? How would you suggest they do that?

You really think the IDF get bored, have loads of time on their hands and infinite resources, and just decide to start firing and bombing at anybody they fancy risking their own lives by return fire or giving away their position?

I mean they must do, all those evil Jewish (Arab and Druze too) 18, 19 and 20 year old (20 is the average age I think) young men and women, most of whom would be classed as children under Hamas figures.

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There is no proof of your claims at all. I expect Israel to provide proof that they have killed terrorists when they kill 15 aid workers one by one and bury them in a mass grave, We all should expect this. Did they destroy and bury the life saving vehicles to stop animals getting at them too?

Like I said to Cindy you don't have to believe that preventing aid from reaching innocent people or killing innocent aid workers is breaking International law. We all know at this point that Israel can say and do as they wish and some people will just keep on nodding, that's not going to change. The constant attempts to shut people down by trying to shame them for caring about the laws that keep us all safe is another thing though.

Mylegishangingoff · 07/04/2025 22:33

CrunchyKnees · 07/04/2025 22:26

Where’s the proof they were not?

Because Hamas says so?

Why didn’t the IDF say they were all Hamas?

Surely looks better to all us blood thirsty, child killer justifiers, pro-Israel numb nuts who believe all they say?

Surely looks better to all us blood thirsty, child killer justifiers, pro-Israel numb nuts who believe all they say?

Like what is this about? Why did you feel the need to add this hysterical sentence onto what is a respectful conversation. Are you trying to shame people, guilt people, what was the purpose of it, what was the point you were trying to make by calling yourself names?

CrunchyKnees · 07/04/2025 22:44

It wasn’t hysteria it was sarcasm. Apologies if you didn’t pick that up.

Yes, those descriptors are often used to shut down and vilify those who question or try to correct anti Israel and/or terrorist propaganda.

I would be interested in your response to my question of where you think Hamas, their affiliates and their supporters are hiding in Gaza seeing as according to Hamaa figures, none have been killed, and according to reports on detainees, none are captured, and where and in which circumstances it would be acceptable to you for the IDF to say they’ve killed or captured them?

EasternStandard · 07/04/2025 22:47

Nads0622 · 07/04/2025 22:11

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/bbc-israel-gaza-letter-tim-davie-bias-palestine-b2636737.html

https://jacobin.com/2024/05/bbc-gaza-reporting-bias

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/11/01/bbc-staff-sign-letter-accusing-broadcaster-pro-israel-bias/

I’ve heard news reporters describe 6 year old Palestinians as women in an attempt to
dehumanise them. Most people accept that the media is not impartial . There’s dozens of articles about the issue

Ok but it’s best to avoid certain tropes as mnhq will delete them. Rightly so.

Polka83 · 07/04/2025 22:50

cindyhove · 07/04/2025 21:39

They stick to international law. Are there mistakes sometimes? Yes of course there are but that does not define genocide or ethnic cleansing

Mistakes? They somehow seem to have been repeated suggesting systemic issues. Like the killing of aid workers.

IDF now, I have read, don’t identify their soldiers by name in press articles and advice they not to post incriminating evidence on their SM accounts.

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2025/apr/07/ten-britons-accused-of-committing-war-crimes-while-fighting-for-israel-in-gaza

Kakeandkake · 07/04/2025 22:50

CrunchyKnees · 07/04/2025 22:26

Where’s the proof they were not?

Because Hamas says so?

Why didn’t the IDF say they were all Hamas?

Surely looks better to all us blood thirsty, child killer justifiers, pro-Israel numb nuts who believe all they say?

If that's what you think of yourself then..

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