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Conflict in the Middle East

Anti Israel Rhetoric is rife. Why?

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cindyhove · 05/04/2025 14:19

As of April 5, 2025, numerous armed conflicts are ongoing worldwide, varying in scale and intensity. According to the Geneva Academy of International Humanitarian Law and Human Rights, over 110 armed conflicts are currently being monitored, encompassing both international and non-international engagements.
why is israel the only one to be demonised out of the current 110 conflicts?
The answer is blindingly obvious

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PollyPaintsFlowers · 06/04/2025 17:48

PollyPaintsFlowers · 06/04/2025 17:42

Incorrect. See below.

Hopefully the image uploads this time 😲

Anti Israel Rhetoric is rife. Why?
Kakeandkake · 06/04/2025 17:53

Lol some more honest reporting propaganda

Kakeandkake · 06/04/2025 17:54

Gabriel Epstein, a research assistant at US thinktank The Washington Institute for Near East Policy, said there's no reason to think the errors are the result of deliberate manipulation intended to inflate the share of women and children among the dead.
"If 90% of the removed entries were men aged 18-40, that would look like manipulation," he said. "But it doesn’t look like that."

whathaveiforgotten · 06/04/2025 17:59

PollyPaintsFlowers · 06/04/2025 17:45

Considering how much Hamas lies, as in most of the victims aren't women and children, but men of fighting age, I'm happy to assume they're combatants. Unless you can prove their innocence?

This is an example of how pointless it feels to engage on this topic sometimes.

You shared a link and said it supported a fact claimed by a PP. I commented on it clarifying the meaning of the statistics you mentioned as you described them in a way that isn’t consistent with what the article (that you shared) says.

You respond saying you’re happy to assume the statistics are a lie. You say you’re happy to assume they are guilty until proven innocent. I believe that if someone said the same about IDF soldiers (that they are guilty of contributing to war crimes / murder of innocent civilians etc until proven innocent) you would find that disgraceful. Rightly so.

Your prerogative of course but it means it’s just completely futile engaging on this topic and further increases the feeling of hostility.

Hamas are mind blowingly, sickeningly cruel. They make me feel sick. I feel the same about the actions of the Israeli government in this conflict.

People are allowed to believe both ‘sides’ are behaving cruelly, appallingly and disgustingly. People criticising Israel’s actions on this thread have been repeatedly accused of being Hamas supporters. Many of us hate Hamas AND the hate the actions of the Israeli government (I am careful not to say Israel because I do not want to assign moral blame to civilians, rather to the people in power).

Kakeandkake · 06/04/2025 17:59

whathaveiforgotten · 06/04/2025 17:37

That says 72% are male and the age of combatants (which is described as 13-55 years old so very broad) not that they are male combatants.

The PP said that percentage were male combatants rather than men of male combatant age which is incorrect I think?

Yes, you are right, it is incorrect.

Swiftie1878 · 06/04/2025 18:05

cindyhove · 06/04/2025 12:41

“People like you” really says it all doesn’t it

Do NOT pull that one!
“People like you who…’

This is the sort of shit that shuts down conversation, which is of course what you want. It’s a disgrace.

Kakeandkake · 06/04/2025 18:08

I can't quite fathom why you started this thread OP, when you really aren't willing to engage in any discourse openly that doesn't suit your preconceived notions on the topic.

Cornettoninja · 06/04/2025 18:09

PollyPaintsFlowers · 06/04/2025 17:45

Considering how much Hamas lies, as in most of the victims aren't women and children, but men of fighting age, I'm happy to assume they're combatants. Unless you can prove their innocence?

…. now we’re back to the restriction of journalists and other organisations into Gaza.

Hamas lies…. Of course they do, they’re as given to propaganda as any other ruling group. Including Israel.

Kakeandkake · 06/04/2025 18:10

Considering how much Israel lies and keeps getting caught out and continues to lie...

cindyhove · 06/04/2025 18:11

TheWombatleague · 06/04/2025 13:34

That's a no then. You don't have any evidence of anti-Israel bias and nothing of substance to back up your claim. Or, looking at your replies here, no evidence of any of your claims other than your "personal views".

I find it strange that you can hold such strong views without anything at all to back them up. Where does your confidence in your opinion come from?

Is this not about personal views? I’m not allowed then but you are?
I’m far too busy to quite hundreds of instances

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Odras · 06/04/2025 18:12

Twiglets1 · 06/04/2025 13:01

I don’t think most pro Palestine people would agree with you that Israel has essentially won but I would - then again I’m more pro Israel.

That being the case wouldn’t it make sense for Hamas to surrender now and release the hostages, hopefully bring an end to the bloodshed? I don’t understand what they think they are achieving by continuing to fight.

Well I say “win” but I’m not sure making Gaza unliveable, killing tens of thousands of civilians and giving up on the hostages is really winning. And I’m not sure that long term it will be a good thing for Israel either.

I guess I mean that Israel is getting what it wants, maximum destruction and control of Gaza. So what does it matter that you have a few annoying voices harping on about peace and human rights.

and Netanyahu said returning the hostages wouldn’t end the war.

cindyhove · 06/04/2025 18:13

Workhardcryharder · 06/04/2025 14:30

Hamas are a vile group of extremists. But the fact you think they started the war shows your lack on knowledge on Israel-Palestine relations. This shit has been going on years.

Indeed it has. Since the 1 st day of the state of israel. Who started those wars? Not Israel!

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cindyhove · 06/04/2025 18:14

Penathought · 06/04/2025 15:04

It happened during a siege/blockade. What Hamas did on 7th October was horrific, but it didn't happen in isolation. It was part of an ongoing war.

Not true at all

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Kakeandkake · 06/04/2025 18:14

cindyhove · 06/04/2025 18:13

Indeed it has. Since the 1 st day of the state of israel. Who started those wars? Not Israel!

Yes, they did. Honestly you really should do more research on this topic that you clearly feel so passionate about.

cindyhove · 06/04/2025 18:15

Penathought · 06/04/2025 15:04

It happened during a siege/blockade. What Hamas did on 7th October was horrific, but it didn't happen in isolation. It was part of an ongoing war.

No it wasn’t. There was no war (this time) before October 7

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cindyhove · 06/04/2025 18:16

Alexandra2001 · 06/04/2025 15:49

Err why is it the fault of Hamas that the IDF opened fire on 15 unarmed aid workers for over 5mins, then lied and covered all this up? the truth only coming out when a mb phone was found in the "grave" of one of these workers.

Dropping bombs on tented refugee camps is a decision made by the Israelis, they don't have to do this and their actions will not help release a single Israeli hostage.
In fact, its likely IDF actions have killed many more hostages than Hamas have done, the only time hostages have been released is when there has been a negotiated ceasefire.
It does appear that the safety & return of the hostages is not on Netanyahu's agenda.

A war usually has 2 sides fighting, atm, only Israel is doing the bombing etc etc

Also not true. Israel is still having rockets (albeit far fewer now) thrown at them.

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cindyhove · 06/04/2025 18:19

Alexandra2001 · 06/04/2025 15:59

The coverage seems quite fair to me, perhaps even bias towards Israel? news outlets report that the casualty figures are from Hamas, always mention the horrors of October and the disgraceful hostage taking and the subsequent treatment... but also report on the bombings, deaths and mutilations of civilians.

Would you rather they hide this from the public?

The conflict gets coverage precisely because of the history, the Wests arming of Israel, the closeness to Europe and last but not least, the death toll and utter destruction caused.
I believe the latest fighting has one of the highest casualty per capita ratio of any modern conflict and involves the entire movement of a population.

At last a thought out response. However, per capita the deaths in Gaza are actually much lower than in the majority of conflicts.
when the population is 2.5 million there will be many deaths sadly

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Cornettoninja · 06/04/2025 18:19

cindyhove · 06/04/2025 18:16

Also not true. Israel is still having rockets (albeit far fewer now) thrown at them.

Well it is a war…

cindyhove · 06/04/2025 18:22

whathaveiforgotten · 06/04/2025 16:45

So what’s the point of a thread like this if you aren’t curious about the answers to your question? It’s not really a question at all then is it?

I’m reading as many of the responses as I can. Sadly the Israel Gaza situation is totally polarising it seems. It’s not that I don’t feel for the innocent victims on either side but the media coverage (and MN) is certainly biased against israel. Just look at the vote to see!

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Polka83 · 06/04/2025 18:24

cindyhove · 06/04/2025 18:22

I’m reading as many of the responses as I can. Sadly the Israel Gaza situation is totally polarising it seems. It’s not that I don’t feel for the innocent victims on either side but the media coverage (and MN) is certainly biased against israel. Just look at the vote to see!

the sky is blue? People voting for the sky being blue is not what makes it true

cindyhove · 06/04/2025 18:24

Polka83 · 06/04/2025 16:23

Hamas never has much international support.
All the press interest and marches are not because people support Hamas but because they are horrified by what the IDF is doing to Palestinians. We want our governments to do something to reduce Palestinian suffering.

As people have tried to say about those who live in Israel- don’t confuse the culpability of a population with it’s leaders.

I wish that were true. Do you know that the first anti israel march in the UK was requested on OCTOBER 7th?? (And yes that’s public information). So that being the case it had and had nothing to do with what israel is currently doing. It started in the same day that hammas massacred innocent people.

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cindyhove · 06/04/2025 18:26

Twiglets1 · 06/04/2025 17:11

I would expect to see the annexation process completed.

Anyway, that's just my opinion seeing as you ask about the West Bank.

I don’t THINK that will happen. Do I know? No. Just my opinion which according to many posters on here I am not allowed to have.

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Penathought · 06/04/2025 18:26

cindyhove · 06/04/2025 18:14

Not true at all

Cindyhove, you can't just say 'not true at all'. You need to be able to justify what you are saying. Prove that there wasn't a blockade and that Palestinians could live normal lives, could leave Gaza easily, that Israel didn't bomb the airport in 2006 making it unusable, that Gazans could go fishing without restriction, that boats taking them supplies didn't get attacked by the Israeli navy / coastguard. That they could get treated for cancer with radiotherapy in Gaza, and as they couldn't, parents could easily accompany their children to get treated in Israeli hospitals, etc etc.

TheWombatleague · 06/04/2025 18:26

JandamiHash · 05/04/2025 20:26

Israel is an extremely liberal and democratic country - let’s not forget the only one in the ME. They have freedom of the press, plenty of journalists speak out against Netenyahu - so I don’t know what you’re banging on about TBH.

What do you think happens to Palestinians who speak out against Hamas?

This just reinforces my point that “I’m anti-Zionist” is just thinly veiled Jew hating and it’s always follows fake news with a peppering on antisemitic conspiracy theories.

Concidentally what is Israeli’s version of Panorama?

Do you REALLY think Israel wouldn’t report on British war crimes in the ME?

Did you get this information from a Visit Israel brochure?

Yes, extremely democratic. Unless you're one of the hundreds of thousands Palestinians or Jewish citizens living in East Jerusalem, or one of the 5.1 people living in the occupied territories that don't get a vote over the government that controls their lives. Or one of 6 million Palestinians who have been forcibly removed from Palestine and who exist as stateless refugees with no rights within their homeland whatsoever.

It looks a lot like what South Africa did to the blacks, shifting them into enclaves giving them their own parliament but denying them any real democratic control over their lives.

Yes, so extremely democratic & liberal it doesn't separate religion and government or the executive and the legislative branch. It doesn't even have a truly Independent Supreme Court.

Yes, Israel has a free press, while also arresting over 300 journalists over the past ten years and ranking alongside China and Mynamar as the biggest jailers of journalists in the world. 2024 was the deadliest year for journalists recorded, 70% of those deaths were from the Israeli's.

As for your last point, I think you've misunderstood. Panorama reported on British war crimes on British TV. I can't imagine Uvda airing evidence of IDF war crimes on Israeli TV.

Now, on to your vile and bullshit claim about anti-zionism and conspiracy theories. Not a single thing I've posted has been anti-zionist, or conspiracy based and certainly not antisemitic.

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