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Conflict in the Middle East

Anti Israel Rhetoric is rife. Why?

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cindyhove · 05/04/2025 14:19

As of April 5, 2025, numerous armed conflicts are ongoing worldwide, varying in scale and intensity. According to the Geneva Academy of International Humanitarian Law and Human Rights, over 110 armed conflicts are currently being monitored, encompassing both international and non-international engagements.
why is israel the only one to be demonised out of the current 110 conflicts?
The answer is blindingly obvious

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Twiglets1 · 06/04/2025 08:43

Kakeandkake · 06/04/2025 08:41

Well we both have our own experiences. I'm not denying yours but this has been mine.

Fair enough- maybe it’s just more noticeable to us when people only ever criticise one side & it’s the side we see as less responsible for the war.

verysmellyjelly · 06/04/2025 08:44

Twiglets1 · 06/04/2025 08:43

Fair enough- maybe it’s just more noticeable to us when people only ever criticise one side & it’s the side we see as less responsible for the war.

The other poster quite literally invented me saying something I didn’t say in order to claim I was blaming “ALL” deaths on Hamas and not one single one on Israel, so their judgment might be a touch off…

theworldsacrazycrazymess · 06/04/2025 08:45

whathaveiforgotten · 06/04/2025 08:36

This was to @theworldsacrazycrazymess

Then I'm sorry,

I read people as a general statement about the general population.

I don't think your lying, and of course your personal response is valid.

I genuinely thought your original post was suggesting that The UK provided tax payer aid to Israel and not other countries that are engaged in war.

Neither of my post were meant as an attack on you or your personally held beliefs.

Kakeandkake · 06/04/2025 08:46

verysmellyjelly · 06/04/2025 08:44

The other poster quite literally invented me saying something I didn’t say in order to claim I was blaming “ALL” deaths on Hamas and not one single one on Israel, so their judgment might be a touch off…

This is what you said. This is where you are absolving Israel of all civilian deaths.

It is deeply sad that civilians are killed, yes, but the blame for that lies with Hamas for bringing war to Gaza, not with Israel.

verysmellyjelly · 06/04/2025 08:50

Kakeandkake · 06/04/2025 08:46

This is what you said. This is where you are absolving Israel of all civilian deaths.

It is deeply sad that civilians are killed, yes, but the blame for that lies with Hamas for bringing war to Gaza, not with Israel.

Hamas did bring the war to Gaza. That’s a fact. Nothing I said there suggests that it’s impossible, improbable, or counterfactual to also state that the IDF has committed war crimes. Sadly my expectation is that in any heated conflict, some brutal war crimes in excess of acceptable combat actions will occur. This appears to have happened in every war from which we have documentation.

It doesn’t change the fact that the Israeli war on Gaza was started by the October massacre.

Kakeandkake · 06/04/2025 08:51

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I think you are being rather aggressive. I won't engage with you again but everyone I have discussed this with have said similar so perhaps it's not me that's in a 'fantasy' and you should look closer to home.

verysmellyjelly · 06/04/2025 08:52

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verysmellyjelly · 06/04/2025 08:53

There is nothing aggressive about pointing out the role of Hamas propaganda in whipping up anti Semitism globally.

dairydebris · 06/04/2025 08:54

verysmellyjelly · 06/04/2025 08:53

There is nothing aggressive about pointing out the role of Hamas propaganda in whipping up anti Semitism globally.

But people don't really like it pointed out to them when they seem to be on the same page as the terrorists.
Like I said, really really good PR.

Kakeandkake · 06/04/2025 08:56

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It's not anti-semitism and you saying it is won't change that. It's just an attempt to shut down criticism of Israel as we see time and time again.

thepariscrimefiles · 06/04/2025 09:03

cindyhove · 05/04/2025 21:11

The difference is that hammas slaughter women and children deliberately and the IDF don’t specifically target them

Hamas is a genocidal terrorist anti-semitic organisation with the ultimate aim of getting rid of Jews from Israel. However, the majority of people who are appalled at the actions of the Israeli government do not support Hamas in any way. You are saying that anyone who accuses the Israeli government of war crimes and genocide is a supporter of Hamas and anti-semitic. That is patently untrue.

In the same way that Hamas don't see Jews as fellow human beings, the more extreme members of Netanyahu's right-wing messianic government don't see the Palestinians, even the children, as human beings.

thepariscrimefiles · 06/04/2025 09:08

JandamiHash · 05/04/2025 21:17

The only terrorists are Hamas who want to annihilate the Jewish people. Who have the audacity to defend themselves as their threat hide behind women and children.

But if you wanna keep believing Hamas are the good guys, crack on. Let’s see what considerations they give YOU when the time comes

Why aren't the Israeli settlers committing violence and destroying Palestinian homes in the West Bank terrorists? They are seeking a political goal through violent means which is the definition of terrorism.

Nads0622 · 06/04/2025 09:20

verysmellyjelly · 06/04/2025 08:32

So are we to assume from your post that you are accepting of and support the rape and butchery or Israeli women and children by Hamas? I will do you the courtesy of presuming that that isn’t your intent, since you’re posting on MN… but it’s strange that you are so willing to assume the worst about everyone who supports Israel. The majority of Palestinians killed are male combatants. It is deeply sad that civilians are killed, yes, but the blame for that lies with Hamas for bringing war to Gaza, not with Israel. You should be addressing your criticism to Hamas, who do not prize life at all, even the lives of babies and children and women. Their conduct makes this eminently apparent.

It’s not Hamas that have slaughtered hundreds of thousands and no most of those killed are not male combatants they are women and children, hundreds babies not even a year old. There’s extremely strong evidence of rape and butchery by the IDF with Israeli soldiers defending accusations of rape as saying it’s their right so I ask you, do you support the genocide , mass slaughter and butchery by the IDF ???? It’s heavily documented everywhere with evidence everywhere. The ‘but Hamas’ mantra just doesn’t cut it any more

whathaveiforgotten · 06/04/2025 09:37

@verysmellyjelly

When the UN report re civilian vs combatant deaths was released six months into the conflict, did you believe the findings or believe them to be lies? The top line findings were as follows:

Nearly 70% of the verified fatalities in Gaza as a result of war are women and children, according to a new report published by the UN Human Rights Office.

The report examined fatalities that occurred over the six-month period between Nov. 2023 and April 2024 and includes only fatalities that were confirmed by at least three independent sources.

  • The report found 8,119 Palestinians had been killed in Gaza during that period, including 2,036 women and 3,588 children.
  • Nearly 80% of the fatalities occurred in residential buildings.
Macaroni46 · 06/04/2025 09:49

Because they’re committing genocide.

Workhardcryharder · 06/04/2025 09:54

JandamiHash · 05/04/2025 18:32

If members of another country came in to your homeland, raped and murdered with impunity including babies, how would you want your government to react?

Ideally not go and murder other equally innocent babies..?

cindyhove · 06/04/2025 10:01

Nads0622 · 05/04/2025 23:10

You’re correct it is obvious. It’s because oxfam have reported that Israel have killed more women and children in a single year than in any other conflict .

And I can along with many other charitable organisations are well known for their anti israel stance well before this conflict.
the Red Cross being a perfect example. Not once did they ever go and check on the hostages which is supposed to be done under the Geneva convention. They will check and report on the Palestinians but never ever on Israelis

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cindyhove · 06/04/2025 10:05

TheWombatleague · 06/04/2025 06:43

Really? Netanyahu specifically referenced Amalek in describing Israel's response to October 7th. This is what the Lord Almighty says,” the prophet Samuel tells Saul. “‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”

Not actually what was meant by amalek in that speech. He meant the purportrators themselves not their wives and goats

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whathaveiforgotten · 06/04/2025 10:06

@cindyhove

Have you seen this recent statement from the Red Cross?

https://www.icrc.org/en/article/hostages-gaza-red-cross-neutral-but-not-bystanders

Neutrality is not a perfect method. In reality, we have not been able to gain access to the hostages in Gaza. This is hugely disappointing to us, to the public in Israel, and across the world. But the lack of success is in no way due to lack of desire, lack of care, lack of attempts or sinister motives falsely and maliciously attributed to us as an organization.
Since October 7, we have held dozens of meetings to gain this long-awaited access. We spoke with Hamas and with Israel, with the mediators, and with any party who we thought could help. These meetings were held in Israel, Gaza, Qatar, Lebanon, Europe and the U.S.
In these meetings we presented an unequivocal position. We made it clear that taking hostages violates international humanitarian law and that all hostages should be released immediately and unconditionally. We added that until that happens, we should be given access to the hostages, and we
implored the parties involved to act in accordance with the laws of war. Unfortunately, these efforts, still ongoing, did not bear fruit.
This lack of success is not unique to this conflict. In other parts of the world we also encounter refusal to allow us access to hostages, to detainees and sometimes even to captured soldiers. The Israeli government has also refused to allow us access to Palestinian prisoners since October 7.

cindyhove · 06/04/2025 10:07

Polka83 · 06/04/2025 08:00

@theworldsacrazycrazymess @cindyhove
There is undoubtedly antisemitism and any type of racism is abhorrent.

However, if you have reduced all criticism of Israel down to antisemitism, and closed your minds to what people are saying as to why they feel disenfranchised by their governments actions / views towards the conflict, perhaps there was little point in starting this thread.

My OP was about the amount of coverage/marches/anti israel rhetoric compared to every other conflict

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cindyhove · 06/04/2025 10:08

Kakeandkake · 06/04/2025 08:09

Should someone ask David Lammy why he keeps criticising Israel? Or is the reality really, why are Israel continuously carrying out actions that even allied countries have no choice but to publicly criticise?

To keep the Muslim vote?

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whathaveiforgotten · 06/04/2025 10:09

@cindyhove

Did you have thoughts on those of us who said the difference for us (and the reason for vocal protests and feeling our protests might actually make a difference) is that our government is funding the government accused of war crimes?

Wildflowers99 · 06/04/2025 10:14

Kakeandkake · 06/04/2025 08:42

Israel is a terrorist state carrying out a genocide which is my opinion on why there is so much anti-Israel rhetoric. You can disagree with me if you want but that's what I believe.

How do you define a ‘terrorist state’?

cindyhove · 06/04/2025 10:15

whathaveiforgotten · 06/04/2025 10:06

@cindyhove

Have you seen this recent statement from the Red Cross?

https://www.icrc.org/en/article/hostages-gaza-red-cross-neutral-but-not-bystanders

Neutrality is not a perfect method. In reality, we have not been able to gain access to the hostages in Gaza. This is hugely disappointing to us, to the public in Israel, and across the world. But the lack of success is in no way due to lack of desire, lack of care, lack of attempts or sinister motives falsely and maliciously attributed to us as an organization.
Since October 7, we have held dozens of meetings to gain this long-awaited access. We spoke with Hamas and with Israel, with the mediators, and with any party who we thought could help. These meetings were held in Israel, Gaza, Qatar, Lebanon, Europe and the U.S.
In these meetings we presented an unequivocal position. We made it clear that taking hostages violates international humanitarian law and that all hostages should be released immediately and unconditionally. We added that until that happens, we should be given access to the hostages, and we
implored the parties involved to act in accordance with the laws of war. Unfortunately, these efforts, still ongoing, did not bear fruit.
This lack of success is not unique to this conflict. In other parts of the world we also encounter refusal to allow us access to hostages, to detainees and sometimes even to captured soldiers. The Israeli government has also refused to allow us access to Palestinian prisoners since October 7.

so if it’s not the Red Cross’s fault (which I have no faith in at all!) it goes back to hammas -who started all of this in the first place!

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cindyhove · 06/04/2025 10:16

whathaveiforgotten · 06/04/2025 10:09

@cindyhove

Did you have thoughts on those of us who said the difference for us (and the reason for vocal protests and feeling our protests might actually make a difference) is that our government is funding the government accused of war crimes?

The UK government gives financial and arms funding to hundreds of countries. Why the focus JUST on israel?

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