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Conflict in the Middle East

Anti Israel Rhetoric is rife. Why?

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cindyhove · 05/04/2025 14:19

As of April 5, 2025, numerous armed conflicts are ongoing worldwide, varying in scale and intensity. According to the Geneva Academy of International Humanitarian Law and Human Rights, over 110 armed conflicts are currently being monitored, encompassing both international and non-international engagements.
why is israel the only one to be demonised out of the current 110 conflicts?
The answer is blindingly obvious

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theworldsacrazycrazymess · 06/04/2025 08:06

Polka83 · 06/04/2025 08:00

@theworldsacrazycrazymess @cindyhove
There is undoubtedly antisemitism and any type of racism is abhorrent.

However, if you have reduced all criticism of Israel down to antisemitism, and closed your minds to what people are saying as to why they feel disenfranchised by their governments actions / views towards the conflict, perhaps there was little point in starting this thread.

I genuinely don't think OP was questioning criticism of the Israeli government or the acknowledgement that in a war footing with an aggressor (Hamas) whose states aim is the eradication of the Jews world-wide, and who build their tunnels and store weapons in the hospitals/schools of the people they allegedly care for.

Of course civilians will be killed and that is awful.

What OP and I myself don't like, is when any suggestion that is real have a right to defend themselves is not responded to with thoughtful argument and discussion, but responded to with

' so you don't care about genocide'
'isreal are an oppressive apartheid state'
'Israel are evil murderers'

I could go on I won't.

Now I will admit that my post falls into the same category for which I am sorry. But I wonder if this like many issues in the modern day, has become a topic, where questions, that people don't agree with are answered as

Why are you or in this case Israel so evil.....!

Kakeandkake · 06/04/2025 08:09

Kakeandkake · 06/04/2025 08:08

Another reason is they are always in the news and it's rarely for anything positive. Just as an example this just now

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9133z2v30o

Should someone ask David Lammy why he keeps criticising Israel? Or is the reality really, why are Israel continuously carrying out actions that even allied countries have no choice but to publicly criticise?

theworldsacrazycrazymess · 06/04/2025 08:11

whathaveiforgotten · 06/04/2025 07:53

You don’t seem to be engaging much with people who have tried to answer your original question but I’ll try. Can you see that people will feel closer emotionally to a conflict in which their taxes are going towards paying one ‘side’ for want of a better word, who are being accused of war crimes and that they feel more able (or perhaps entitled is a good word) to vocally object to and physically protest about it than they would versus a conflict in which their government has no involvement?

Fair point have I forgotten, but just to say that UK tax payers money is also sent to, Ukraine, Yemen, we've spent UK tax payers money resettling those from HK with British passports and spent UK tax payers funds on helping the uyiger Muslims in China bring the states attempt to eradicate them to light.

So is it really just about where tax payer funding goes??

whathaveiforgotten · 06/04/2025 08:19

theworldsacrazycrazymess · 06/04/2025 08:11

Fair point have I forgotten, but just to say that UK tax payers money is also sent to, Ukraine, Yemen, we've spent UK tax payers money resettling those from HK with British passports and spent UK tax payers funds on helping the uyiger Muslims in China bring the states attempt to eradicate them to light.

So is it really just about where tax payer funding goes??

I don’t understand why you would think that because people may agree with some actions of the government when it comes to tax expenditure, they wouldn’t protest their taxes also being spent on funding a government currently being accused of war crimes? I’m unsure as to the relevance.

It feels like it’s impossible to give any answer to OP’s question without some people refusing accept them as a legitimate, honest answer. Do you think I am lying when I say that is the reason my response may look and feel different to that about some other governments accused of war crimes?

theworldsacrazycrazymess · 06/04/2025 08:28

whathaveiforgotten · 06/04/2025 08:19

I don’t understand why you would think that because people may agree with some actions of the government when it comes to tax expenditure, they wouldn’t protest their taxes also being spent on funding a government currently being accused of war crimes? I’m unsure as to the relevance.

It feels like it’s impossible to give any answer to OP’s question without some people refusing accept them as a legitimate, honest answer. Do you think I am lying when I say that is the reason my response may look and feel different to that about some other governments accused of war crimes?

No I'm. Not saying that, I just wanted to say I really don't think who the UK supports with it's taxes is relevant.

People protest and marche because they think Israel is wrong and treating the Palestinians awfully, surely they would do that even if we didn't contribute taxes ...?

OP thinks differently!

verysmellyjelly · 06/04/2025 08:32

Nads0622 · 05/04/2025 23:06

Because the country I live in and pay taxes to isn’t supporting a genocide anywhere else . People protest to change the views of the country they’re protesting in . It beggars belief how many people don’t quite grasp the reason why people protest .
oxfam have stated that more children and women have been killed by Israel in a single year than by any other conflict in recent time in a single year . Babies in incubators left to die . I struggle to comprehend how Israel supporters are so comfortable with the number of children and babies slaughtered and why they then struggle to uunderstand why others have a problem with it. Your whole post leaves me flabbergasted !!! As though you’re so comfortable with children being slaughtered and inadvertently you’re adding to the anti Israel rhetoric. 🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️

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So are we to assume from your post that you are accepting of and support the rape and butchery or Israeli women and children by Hamas? I will do you the courtesy of presuming that that isn’t your intent, since you’re posting on MN… but it’s strange that you are so willing to assume the worst about everyone who supports Israel. The majority of Palestinians killed are male combatants. It is deeply sad that civilians are killed, yes, but the blame for that lies with Hamas for bringing war to Gaza, not with Israel. You should be addressing your criticism to Hamas, who do not prize life at all, even the lives of babies and children and women. Their conduct makes this eminently apparent.

verysmellyjelly · 06/04/2025 08:33

Kakeandkake · 06/04/2025 08:08

Another reason is they are always in the news and it's rarely for anything positive. Just as an example this just now

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9133z2v30o

And you don’t think bias might be a reason for that…? You don’t think propaganda against Israel might play a role…?

verysmellyjelly · 06/04/2025 08:35

Penathought · 05/04/2025 22:50

Jerusalem is not 'Israel proper'. It is a divided city, split into West and East Jerusalem. The Temple Mount is in East Jerusalem. Are Muslims allowed at the Wailing Wall?

Jerusalem belongs to the State of Israel.

Kakeandkake · 06/04/2025 08:35

See, this is another thing I find really strange. Those who are broadly pro-Palestinian will accept blame lies on both sides. But for some strange reason which I can't fathom so many like the poster above verysmellyjelly absolve Israel of all blame even though it's Israel that are throwing two thousand pound bombs on schools and hospitals. It's all really odd.

whathaveiforgotten · 06/04/2025 08:36

You’ve said you don’t think it’s relevant. I’ve said it’s literally relevant in my case, in my own personal response to this. So you seem to think I’m either lying, or you’re refusing to accept my personal response as a valid one. It’s that kind of response that makes it feel pointless engaging with threads questioning criticism of Israel. No answer is accepted as honest / valid by some posters.

I have literally said how I feel and you’ve said that you don’t think it’s relevant. Unsure where to go from there really.

whathaveiforgotten · 06/04/2025 08:36

whathaveiforgotten · 06/04/2025 08:36

You’ve said you don’t think it’s relevant. I’ve said it’s literally relevant in my case, in my own personal response to this. So you seem to think I’m either lying, or you’re refusing to accept my personal response as a valid one. It’s that kind of response that makes it feel pointless engaging with threads questioning criticism of Israel. No answer is accepted as honest / valid by some posters.

I have literally said how I feel and you’ve said that you don’t think it’s relevant. Unsure where to go from there really.

This was to @theworldsacrazycrazymess

verysmellyjelly · 06/04/2025 08:36

SassySusie · 05/04/2025 21:40

It’s a terrorist state under the current government. And please don’t bother calling me anti semitic for saying that. That’s just boring now.

No matter how “boring” you find it, describing the state of Israel as a “terrorist state” is anti-Semitic, yes.

Kakeandkake · 06/04/2025 08:38

verysmellyjelly · 06/04/2025 08:33

And you don’t think bias might be a reason for that…? You don’t think propaganda against Israel might play a role…?

Really? In the article I shared which bit was propaganda? It's quite simple. Either Israel denied entry of MP's from an allied country or didn't.

verysmellyjelly · 06/04/2025 08:38

Kakeandkake · 06/04/2025 08:35

See, this is another thing I find really strange. Those who are broadly pro-Palestinian will accept blame lies on both sides. But for some strange reason which I can't fathom so many like the poster above verysmellyjelly absolve Israel of all blame even though it's Israel that are throwing two thousand pound bombs on schools and hospitals. It's all really odd.

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I guess you missed the post where I said anyone in the IDF who commits a specific war crime should be prosecuted, just like British, American, and other armies have seen members of their militaries prosecuted.

Israel isn’t to blame for responding to terrorist attacks, though, no. And you are deeply mistaken if you think other states wouldn’t do the same. Remember 9/11?

Kakeandkake · 06/04/2025 08:38

verysmellyjelly · 06/04/2025 08:36

No matter how “boring” you find it, describing the state of Israel as a “terrorist state” is anti-Semitic, yes.

No it isn't. I believe they are a terrorist state.

Kakeandkake · 06/04/2025 08:39

verysmellyjelly · 06/04/2025 08:38

I guess you missed the post where I said anyone in the IDF who commits a specific war crime should be prosecuted, just like British, American, and other armies have seen members of their militaries prosecuted.

Israel isn’t to blame for responding to terrorist attacks, though, no. And you are deeply mistaken if you think other states wouldn’t do the same. Remember 9/11?

So why do you keep saying ALL deaths are on Hamas? Please make your mind up.

Kakeandkake · 06/04/2025 08:40

Anti-Israel rhetoric may also be rife because Israel are carrying out a genocide of the indigenous Palestinians.

verysmellyjelly · 06/04/2025 08:40

Kakeandkake · 06/04/2025 08:38

No it isn't. I believe they are a terrorist state.

It is. You can reject the label but fundamentally yes, that is a deeply anti-Semitic view to hold. No matter how many times you complain and deny it.

Twiglets1 · 06/04/2025 08:40

Kakeandkake · 06/04/2025 08:35

See, this is another thing I find really strange. Those who are broadly pro-Palestinian will accept blame lies on both sides. But for some strange reason which I can't fathom so many like the poster above verysmellyjelly absolve Israel of all blame even though it's Israel that are throwing two thousand pound bombs on schools and hospitals. It's all really odd.

Edited

That has not been my experience.

Im broadly pro Israel but am perfectly willing to state that there is fault on both sides, I’ve said so many times on these threads.

I have observed that it’s more the pro Palestinian people that won’t accept that blame lies on both sides. Some won’t even come out and state that Hamas carried out an atrocity on October 7th or are a terrorist organisation.

verysmellyjelly · 06/04/2025 08:40

Kakeandkake · 06/04/2025 08:40

Anti-Israel rhetoric may also be rife because Israel are carrying out a genocide of the indigenous Palestinians.

More fantasy.

Kakeandkake · 06/04/2025 08:41

Twiglets1 · 06/04/2025 08:40

That has not been my experience.

Im broadly pro Israel but am perfectly willing to state that there is fault on both sides, I’ve said so many times on these threads.

I have observed that it’s more the pro Palestinian people that won’t accept that blame lies on both sides. Some won’t even come out and state that Hamas carried out an atrocity on October 7th or are a terrorist organisation.

Well we both have our own experiences. I'm not denying yours but this has been mine.

Kakeandkake · 06/04/2025 08:42

verysmellyjelly · 06/04/2025 08:40

More fantasy.

Israel is a terrorist state carrying out a genocide which is my opinion on why there is so much anti-Israel rhetoric. You can disagree with me if you want but that's what I believe.

verysmellyjelly · 06/04/2025 08:42

Kakeandkake · 06/04/2025 08:39

So why do you keep saying ALL deaths are on Hamas? Please make your mind up.

I… didn’t say that. Please don’t invent things. I said Hamas are to blame for bringing war to Gaza. That doesn’t preclude IDF war crimes. Most armies commit some war crimes. It’s a tragic and terrible side effect of war. Some of the war crimes from Iraq are truly horrible.

verysmellyjelly · 06/04/2025 08:43

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