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Conflict in the Middle East

Anti Israel Rhetoric is rife. Why?

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cindyhove · 05/04/2025 14:19

As of April 5, 2025, numerous armed conflicts are ongoing worldwide, varying in scale and intensity. According to the Geneva Academy of International Humanitarian Law and Human Rights, over 110 armed conflicts are currently being monitored, encompassing both international and non-international engagements.
why is israel the only one to be demonised out of the current 110 conflicts?
The answer is blindingly obvious

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SassySusie · 05/04/2025 21:40

JandamiHash · 05/04/2025 21:29

Hamas are a terrorist group. This is a widely recognised fact. Israel is a country, not a terrorist group. HTH.

It’s a terrorist state under the current government. And please don’t bother calling me anti semitic for saying that. That’s just boring now.

JandamiHash · 05/04/2025 21:47

SassySusie · 05/04/2025 21:40

It’s a terrorist state under the current government. And please don’t bother calling me anti semitic for saying that. That’s just boring now.

You may not be antisemitic AFAIK, but you are wrong.

SassySusie · 05/04/2025 22:09

You disagree with me and that is not the same as me being wrong. Netanyahu is a wanted war criminal. You do know what?

Disclaimer before I am accused of being by a Hamas supporter: Hamas are also war criminals and terrorists of course .

TheHateIsNotGood · 05/04/2025 22:15

@JandamiHash no one is wrong or right; there is currently only killing, which needs to stop as no people are better nor more deserving than others.

People are at war about religion which is essentially very stupid as most people's religions are pretty much the same thing with different names - and nearly all don't support killing people only the extremes of any belief think that's ok.

So a book called the Bible, the Torah or the Koran said some shit that can be interpreted however you want; show me the words that say killing people is the best way to go about things.

Nads0622 · 05/04/2025 22:22

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catlovingdoctor · 05/04/2025 22:26

See the latest development of over a dozen aid workers being killed...ffs...

528htz · 05/04/2025 22:33

The aid workers are killed in order to dissuade anyone from entering Gaza to help the population there. Israel need all Gazans to die. Anything that prevents this is not tolerated and action is taken.

kungfoofighting · 05/04/2025 22:35

528htz · 05/04/2025 22:33

The aid workers are killed in order to dissuade anyone from entering Gaza to help the population there. Israel need all Gazans to die. Anything that prevents this is not tolerated and action is taken.

I fear you’re right.

Nads0622 · 05/04/2025 22:46

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Penathought · 05/04/2025 22:50

Jerusalem is not 'Israel proper'. It is a divided city, split into West and East Jerusalem. The Temple Mount is in East Jerusalem. Are Muslims allowed at the Wailing Wall?

cindyhove · 05/04/2025 22:51

So back to the OP without the argument’s over which side is right/wrong.
why is the world focused on Israel and not the other countries?
Simple question. Simple answers?

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Nads0622 · 05/04/2025 23:06

cindyhove · 05/04/2025 22:51

So back to the OP without the argument’s over which side is right/wrong.
why is the world focused on Israel and not the other countries?
Simple question. Simple answers?

Because the country I live in and pay taxes to isn’t supporting a genocide anywhere else . People protest to change the views of the country they’re protesting in . It beggars belief how many people don’t quite grasp the reason why people protest .
oxfam have stated that more children and women have been killed by Israel in a single year than by any other conflict in recent time in a single year . Babies in incubators left to die . I struggle to comprehend how Israel supporters are so comfortable with the number of children and babies slaughtered and why they then struggle to uunderstand why others have a problem with it. Your whole post leaves me flabbergasted !!! As though you’re so comfortable with children being slaughtered and inadvertently you’re adding to the anti Israel rhetoric. 🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️

Nads0622 · 05/04/2025 23:10

cindyhove · 05/04/2025 14:19

As of April 5, 2025, numerous armed conflicts are ongoing worldwide, varying in scale and intensity. According to the Geneva Academy of International Humanitarian Law and Human Rights, over 110 armed conflicts are currently being monitored, encompassing both international and non-international engagements.
why is israel the only one to be demonised out of the current 110 conflicts?
The answer is blindingly obvious

You’re correct it is obvious. It’s because oxfam have reported that Israel have killed more women and children in a single year than in any other conflict .

Polka83 · 05/04/2025 23:10

Nads0622 · 05/04/2025 23:06

Because the country I live in and pay taxes to isn’t supporting a genocide anywhere else . People protest to change the views of the country they’re protesting in . It beggars belief how many people don’t quite grasp the reason why people protest .
oxfam have stated that more children and women have been killed by Israel in a single year than by any other conflict in recent time in a single year . Babies in incubators left to die . I struggle to comprehend how Israel supporters are so comfortable with the number of children and babies slaughtered and why they then struggle to uunderstand why others have a problem with it. Your whole post leaves me flabbergasted !!! As though you’re so comfortable with children being slaughtered and inadvertently you’re adding to the anti Israel rhetoric. 🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️

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@cindyhove

As others including @Odras and @Nads0622 have said-
Our governments are complicit in their acts or in their silence in the destruction of Gaza and we don’t it want in our names.

Penathought · 05/04/2025 23:11

It is good to bring us back to the original question. I left Mumsnet to go and cook dinner and thinking over things, I ended up berating myself because I didn't think I had responded to the original question, which I misremembered as being about why do people get angry with Jews. If that had been the question, I would certainly have said, it is totally unjust. Jews in Britain, Europe and North America and the rest of the world should never be challenged. They bring so much to our cultures. However, coming back to re-read this, I realised that it was about Israel. Again, I have nothing against Israelis. However, I am very angry with the Israeli Government, and especially Netanyahu and his cohort, who will do anything to stay in power, and sacrifice the Israeli population (and Palestinians), for their own ambitions and the desire to increase the size of Israel "from the sea to the river". Have you seen Netanyahu standing in front of his map of Israel?

Tuttifrutticutiepie · 05/04/2025 23:14

cindyhove · 05/04/2025 22:51

So back to the OP without the argument’s over which side is right/wrong.
why is the world focused on Israel and not the other countries?
Simple question. Simple answers?

It's because of people's unusual willingness to defend Israel's actions in Palestine, that people are so engaged with criticising Israel. I think that's the simple answer.

Lets imagine a city full of ugly high rises of flats that nearly everyone agrees are ugly. Then I design one, which in some people's opinion is just as ugly as the others but that a sizeable number of people find beautiful. Which building is going to be discussed? Which building will have people making a case for it's ugliness? The one which is controversial.

Your question is like me asking "why do so many people go on about how ugly my building is, and they don't bother to mention all the other ugly buildings!"

In this example, people don't want to talk about how ugly my building is because they're applying a special standard to it. They think the other buildings are ugly just as much. The reason they talk about it isn't that it's ugliness is unique but because other people finding it beautiful is unique.

This is the explanation whether my building is truly ugly or truly beautiful (were there such a thing).

OhCalmTheFuckDownMargaret · 05/04/2025 23:54

You’ve completely lost me there?

Tuttifrutticutiepie · 06/04/2025 00:20

@OhCalmTheFuckDownMargaret Is that addressed to me?

Let's imagine that instead of "civilians being killed in other countries" we have "ugly buildings".

Now imagine person A has 10 buildings in mind that they know to be ugly. They think all of the buildings are just about as ugly as one another (this is an analogy for condemning a multitude of instances in which civilians are killed).

Then person B sits down next to them and begins extolling the beauty of one of those 10, let's call it building X. (This is an analogy for the opinion "civilians being killed by Israel in these circumstances, is justifiable").

Which building (instance of civilians being killed) will they discuss? Its obvious isn't it? They're going to discuss the controversial building, about which they have a different opinion. A conversation about one of the other buildings which both parties mutually agree is ugly, would be short, boring and rather pointless.

From person A's perspective, it is person B's inexplicable defense of building X's appearance that interests and animates them to explain and justify why the building is ugly. This alone is not evidence that they're prejudiced against some other aspect of the building, or that they are holding it to a higher standard (though these are both possible, it is also possible that they just think it's ugly for the very similar reasons they think the other 9 are). The principle reason they are driven to comment on that particular building's ugliness is because someone else is being vocal about it's beauty.

Scale up by millions of people on either side of the discussion on the righteousness of Israel's actions.

KrisAkabusi · 06/04/2025 00:43

cindyhove · 05/04/2025 22:51

So back to the OP without the argument’s over which side is right/wrong.
why is the world focused on Israel and not the other countries?
Simple question. Simple answers?

Is there video showing clearly lit and marked ambulances containing UN staff and other aid workers being targeted in other countries? Have army spokespeople in other countries lied and said that they were travelling with their lights off and were acting suspiciously?
Or could it be that its not anything to with being anti Israeli or anti semitic, but that people are appalled at the actions so close to home, by a country that their own governments considers an ally?

TheWombatleague · 06/04/2025 06:37

cindyhove · 05/04/2025 21:05

Can you tell me what terroridt attacks have been in the UK by Zionist terror groups?

I didn't say there had been. But that's not for want of trying.

https://www.counterterrorism.police.uk/history/zionist-terrorism/

Zionist Terrorism | Counter Terrorism Policing

https://www.counterterrorism.police.uk/history/zionist-terrorism/

TheWombatleague · 06/04/2025 06:43

cindyhove · 05/04/2025 21:11

The difference is that hammas slaughter women and children deliberately and the IDF don’t specifically target them

Really? Netanyahu specifically referenced Amalek in describing Israel's response to October 7th. This is what the Lord Almighty says,” the prophet Samuel tells Saul. “‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”

theworldsacrazycrazymess · 06/04/2025 07:48

OP because the Israeli/Gaza conflict fits with th ideology of the times.

'white' colonial agressor subjugates non-white victims.

I wouldn't waste your breath OP, you won't convince people Israel isn't evil, you won't convince them Jews aren't evil.

One need only to walk the streets of London to know there are many in this world who hate Jews and Israel. And whatever people say 'from the river to the sea' is a call for the total itradication of Israel.

For all those who say Israel didn't belong to the Jews, surely that is a question of how far back you go? And could be applied to most countries in the world. I love in the UK and clearly have norman features, Britain didn't belong to my ancestors, should I go back to Normandy, though the people who love in Normandy now , may well not be the people who loved their in 1066, so I probably shouldn't go there because it doesn't belong to me either.... Hnmm what to do, better go to antartica,but then that doesn't belong to me either.

whathaveiforgotten · 06/04/2025 07:53

You don’t seem to be engaging much with people who have tried to answer your original question but I’ll try. Can you see that people will feel closer emotionally to a conflict in which their taxes are going towards paying one ‘side’ for want of a better word, who are being accused of war crimes and that they feel more able (or perhaps entitled is a good word) to vocally object to and physically protest about it than they would versus a conflict in which their government has no involvement?

Polka83 · 06/04/2025 08:00

@theworldsacrazycrazymess @cindyhove
There is undoubtedly antisemitism and any type of racism is abhorrent.

However, if you have reduced all criticism of Israel down to antisemitism, and closed your minds to what people are saying as to why they feel disenfranchised by their governments actions / views towards the conflict, perhaps there was little point in starting this thread.

Kakeandkake · 06/04/2025 08:05

Because Israel is supposedly a western style democracy that are acting like terrorists in Gaza and mafia type gangstas in the west bank.

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