The worst humanitarian crisis and people displacement

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Sudan.

Barely on the news. Channel 4 currently is discussing the worst humanitarian crisis currently ( its NOT occurring in Gaza). People are actually REALLY starving and eating rats and leaves from the trees.

No marches, no flag waving, no slogans, no student interest, no protest on campus, no symbol wearing. We all know exactly why. No interest at all.

Can you imagine if there was a country where men weren't allowed to speak in public? I think there would be protests.

Yes, Afghanistan is a proper tragedy. But, in this case, it has very much to do with us. It has, in my experience, more coverage than Sudan though.
There is films about it, too, like The Bread Winner. Or the Kyte Runner. Both heart breaking.
I am not sure we can really do much about Afghanistan. Because the Talibans are in control, so appart of sanctions and asylum, how can we help? They will not take UN resolutions, letters, meetings..

Which is something in common with Sudan indeed. The areas directly affected by the conflict are rather unaccessible. But, at least, we can help to keep the people in the refugee camps. If they allow the aid in, that is...

Really? the world section on my favourite news source has been full of the US for weeks, not Gaza. Are people against Americans or is it because Trump keeps up the extraordinary content and fresh controversies and the media attention firmly swings back each time.

I listen to BBC WS a fair bit and there is a bit more coverage, not just Sudan but the sheer amount of violence happening in many countries.

The question is what could another country do?

What would people want to see happen

For Sudan - stop selling this muderers weapons! Not UK, but they are buying them for gold from middle east, according to reports.
Then, put pressure on them to actually attend the UN meetings or any other ceasefire negotiations table.

No I am not. I am responding to the OP who is adamant that there are No marches, no flag waving, no slogans, no student interest, no protest on campus, no symbol wearing. We all know exactly why. No interest at all.

This simply isn't true from a lot of those who support Palestine. Half of her OP is based on an untruth designed to paint those who support Palestine as only doing so because they are antisemtic. It's pretty clear what her aim was. It's pretty clear that she expects the same people doing the work on Palestine to do the work on Sudan too. She isn't the only one, there has been plenty of 'but what about' from pro Israel supporters who clearly expect that the same people who do the work on Palestine should do the work on every other conflict too. The same expectation isn't placed on those who support Israel. Why do certain people insinuate awful things about those who only have the time and resources to support Palestine right now but have no comment on the people who only have the time and resources to support Israel? Do we 'all know why' certain people only support Israel and aren't involved in anything for Sudan or Syria etc

Lots of people who support Palestine are doing work for these causes too and it is insulting to those who are giving up their time and effort to pretend that it isn't happening in order to make some kind of dig at those who only have the time and effort to give right now to those in Palestine.

I'm leaving this thread now because you are constantly throwing digs at me and pretending that you cannot see what is clearly there in front of you in the OP.

It is sad indeed. Half this thread is about Gaza and anti-semitism... but it is the longest going thread about Sudan, I think. On my phone it has 7 pages! And there are quite a few posters. It almost feels like a crowd!

All these conflicts do have something in common and it is the utter disdain for the lives of the civilian population and the total impunity, for the time being, of the perpetrators. We should focus on that. What is going on in the world that these "leaders" think they can get away with this? Why so much violence? Whole families murdered, just due to sectarism. The sexual violence. The bombings, shootings, trade wars and betrayals. It is not only ME and Africa. Look at what Russia is doing in Ukraine and Trump to markets and old alliances.
We really need to care about the mistreated civilians, because tomorrow it could be us. And we should prosecute any "leader" that breaches civilian rights.

Wrong . You threw digs at me. Re- read our exchanges .
It’s best you leave the thread if you don’t want to talk about Sudan .

For the record @LoyalAquaOtter I have not criticised or insinuated anything about Palestinian activists Your criticisms and “digs” are entirely without foundation.

I think the derailment is a shame given than the point of the thread is to highlight the lack of attention Sudan has received.
Personally, I don’t think people are deliberately ignoring certain issues but I do think it is worth considering what issues get more traction on social media and why that is.

The poster who started the thread hoped to compare the coverage of Sudan with the coverage of Gaza.

Let’s not pretend otherwise.

The op clearly has as I said in my post.

I am responding to the OP who is adamant that there are No marches, no flag waving, no slogans, no student interest, no protest on campus, no symbol wearing. We all know exactly why. No interest at all.

It isn't derailing to address the OP and point out that the thread was started on a false premise and is insulting.

I'm not sure why you keep pretending that you can't see what the OP was about.

I was personally insulted and I am not the OP . ( I was called ignorant/ anti Irish/ assumptions were made about my motives / insinuations made )

Lets not pretend otherwise.

You were criticising and insulting me - not the OP.
Stop trying to twist things

The comments directed at me from @LoyalAquaOtter had nothing to do with the OP
eg
”Is this just anti Irish sentiment from you or are you just uninformed?”

Frequent Claims that Sudan gets enough attention
eg
“Can I ask why you said that there 'should be space to think about Sudan as well' then? What gave you the impression that there was no space to think about Sudan when clearly there is space actively been given to Sudan and many others?”

””I was trying to understand if it was the same for people advocating for those in Sudan and perhaps that is why you seem so adamant despite a lot of evidence to the contrary if you care to look that there is no space for Sudan”

and

“I don't know what was 'facetious' about my comment? I was trying to understand where you are coming from. There has been a lot of people in the UK trying to shut down people advocating for Palestinians, I was trying to understand if it was the same for people advocating for those in Sudan and perhaps that is why you seem so adamant despite a lot of evidence to the contrary if you care to look that there is no space for Sudan.”

In response to my comment “That’s fine . But There should be space to think about Sudan as well…” I had a sarcastic response* *

“seems to imply that you think somebody is stopping people from thinking about Sudan too which you would know isn't true if you are actively engaged with people who are very much thinking of Sudan and following that through with their actions.
Unless of course you are engaged in fundraising and activism for Sudan and somebody is trying to stop you? I know in the UK there was a lot of push back trying to stop pro Palestinian activism, is it the same there for your activism directed at Sudan?”

None of these responses had anything to do with the OP.

He/she repeatedly claims that Sudan has had plenty of attention and make sarcastic references to my “activism’ for Sudan presumably to imply I’m insincere.

I asked if you were anti Irish, I couldn't fathom another reason you brought a Ireland into things out of the blue and then seemed to suggest that there was no room being made for Sudan with your post That’s fine . But There should be space to think about Sudan as well…. I never called you ignorant, the assumptions I made were that you aren't directly involved in Palestinian activism, I didn't realise that that would be so triggering for you.

All of my posts were most definitely not directed at you. I am twisting nothing.

My whole engagement with you spanned from your post where you said That’s fine . But There should be space to think about Sudan as well… A post you insist you wrote knowing full well that there is space to think about Sudan and that people and governments are thinking about Sudan but you just wrote that for reasons. I'm sorry that you feel like a victim, I sure you can see though why your post that apparently was just you stating the obvious and not insinuating that space wasn't being made nor acknowledging that it is and your continual refusal to actually acknowledge what the OP is about came across strangely.

I do not feel like a victim. 🙄
Please don’t use patronising language like that to other posters .
The people in Sudan and Gaza are the victims here.

“My whole engagement with you spanned from your post where you said That’s fine . But There should be space to think about Sudan as well… A post you insist you wrote knowing full well that there is space to think about Sudan and that people and governments are thinking about Sudan but you just wrote that for reasons. “

I can’t believe you are still insisting that it’s somehow wrong to ask that space / attention be given to Sudan .

Im just completely baffled by the way you twist things ( perhaps deliberately) in order to deflect this thread .

Look i am sorry that you feel victimised. Again me pointing out that activism is happening by students and flagwavers is sticking to the OP. I will copy again it for clarity No marches, no flag waving, no slogans, no student interest, no protest on campus, no symbol wearing. We all know exactly why. No interest at all.

I'm sorry that I thought your post insisting that there should be space to think for Sudan meant that you thought that there was no space. People don't usually use 'should' to indicate things that are already happening. 'He should go to the shop', She should think of others.'' There should be space to think about Sudan' can you see where the confusion came from?

Would it be too much to ask people to stick to discussion of Sudan on here?
If you don’t want to do that - don’t come on the thread

Again I don’t feel victimised 🙄

☝️For the love of God

Can we not stick to the OP on a thread now? Again that is why I started posting because it is disingenuous and insulting to all of those that give their time. If you don't want to talk about or even acknowledge the topic of the thread that is fine.

No marches, no flag waving, no slogans, no student interest, no protest on campus, no symbol wearing. We all know exactly why. No interest at all.

Charities are very involved with Sudan. They are helping whenever the fight allows to get the aid. Because the armies have blocked the delivery of aid at times indeed.
But there is no much media coverage. No coverage means many people are unaware and that may reduce the amount of aid given. Of course there are plenty of activists, but do they have an efficient platform? I doubt it. That is the point. Is everyone around us aware of what is goingvon in Sudan? Again, it is picking up a bit, with more articles. There is a Unicef add too. But I have not watched a Red Cross one yet? Have you seen it? I do not watch much TV these days. So I do not get to see the main stream adds.

Absolutely- We know charities want to help but it’s hard for them to raise public interest without the media stories.
Journalists say there is a lack of “audience interest “ in Sudan ( sadly this is confirmed on mumsnet as there are far more threads about Gaza)
What is it about Sudan that has meant there is less “audience interest “?
I am not asking this question to be goady . It’s a perfectly valid question. ( although admittedly very uncomfortable to think about)

I think it has been answered why it’s doesn’t have the same audience interest.

Non profits do seem to be fundraising on Sudan which suggests it’s raising money. But I’m not sure if that is quite Irish centric as famine is obviously something Ireland has an affinity with.

I do find it so strange that the OP implied that antisemitism causes a lack of interest in Sudan when it is racism against Africans which is part of the reason that there is less interest in Sudan.

Imagine asking if anti Russian sentiment had caused a lack of public interest in Sudan. People wouldn’t even entertain me. They would accuse me of being a bot.