Do recipients of aid usually have to pay for it?

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This confuses me. Gaza has no economy to speak of right now, and the only trucks getting in are aid trucks, so why do I see reports mention that the price of flour has gone up in the last few days?

Do recipients of aid usually have to pay for it, hasn't the aid already been paid for?

@RubyTuesday48 Do you have any proof of this?

purpletablet Hamas is in charge in Gaza. It distributes the aid allowed in. As @Scirocco (who knows far more than you or I about the situation) has mentioned up thread, there is a black market in play. As pp have also mentioned, black markets are common practice during war time.
As you can see from videos Hamas and their many followers in Gaza are not all starving. They look pretty well nourished during their return of hostages debacle.

Have any of the charity organisations who distribute the aid reported that Hamas is stealing it?

Hamas or other armed gangs who may or not be under the control of Gaza. Also, it will depend on your definition of “steal”. As Hamas is the governing force in Gaza, if they take control of the aid after it is delivered and retains it in their warehouses and distributes it to their members and supporters leaving non-supporters & members to suffer, would NGOs classify that as “stealing”?

A few months ago NGOs stopped trying to distribute aid themselves because it was too dangerous because of the armed gangs, not because of IDF. Hamas didn’t have control of the various gangs operating and profiting. They seem to have regained control, possibly through the very public beatings, killings and knee-capping they’ve been carrying out to men they say have stolen aid.

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If the people in this video are the only ones with access to the resources necessary to produce everything you see in this video, then there is something very wrong with if everyone else is starving/suffering.

I spotted a child’s ride-on quad bike. A lot of things need to be in place before I’d be buying my kids a ride-on quad bike. Again, I’m not saying they don’t deserve ride ins, but if you believe that Gaza is in a siege situation with no food, no electricity, under blockade etc do you think it’s logical that there’s a market for and a supply of children’s’ ride-on quad bikes?

It is not necessarily Hamas who intercept it.

Gaza is now lawless and there are criminal gangs operating.

For months, gangs of criminals have been stealing the aid being delivered, with those thefts often being witnessed but not acted upon by the Israelis. I guess it all adds to the chaos and mayhem within the strip, which probably suits Israel's purpose.

Do you have any links for this? If the aid is being stolen once it reaches Gaza, I don't see how you expect Israel to do anything about it, surely, it's Hamas's responsibility to ensure it reaches its intended recipients.

Try doing some research yourself. After having done so, come back and tell me what you've found and also if it has, in any way, caused you to modify your stance.

You're funny! I'm not going to research your assertions, you make a claim, it's up to you to back it up!

Have a nice day.

Indeed 😉

Perhaps you should continue reading the thread 😆

So, Gazan criminal gangs are stealing aid meant for Gazans because the Gazan authorities who were elected by the Gazan people have lost control of Gazan society and after they’ve sorted out those Gazan gangs the very same Gazan authority keeps the aid for themselves and it still doesn’t find it’s way FOC to the Gazan people who are suffering because of the war the Gazan authority started…and it’s Israel’s fault???

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/18/armed-looters-hijack-almost-100-trucks-carrying-aid-supplies-into-gaza

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93qevdpzvqo

Here's a couple of articles about gangs attacking and looting aid convoys. There is an argument that coordinating and ensuring the safe and efficient passage of aid does fall within the responsibility of an occupying power, so it can be argued that some of the responsibility for getting aid where it needs to go lies with the Israeli forces (as can be argued in any situation in which there is an occupying power). Israeli forces dictated convoy routes, were aware of gangs operating in the areas, and did not provide either alternative routes or adequate security for the convoys.

It's awful that innocent people need aid and so much is looted by their fellow countrymen. No consideration at all gor others

"a statement late on Monday, the Gaza interior ministry said that more than 20 people had been killed “in a security operation carried out by security forces in cooperation with tribal committees”.

The statement said that thefts had “severely affected society and led to signs of famine in southern Gaza”, and warned that the operation was the start of a broader campaign to tackle the problem.

An interior ministry source told AFP the 20 were killed in connection with the looting on Saturday of a convoy which was transporting thousands of tonnes of food provided by the UN agencies Unrwa and the World Food Programme (WFP). It was attacked shortly after entering Gaza on Saturday, UN officials and local community leaders said.

Ninety-eight trucks of the 109-truck convoy were looted and some transporters were injured during the incident, said Louise Wateridge, Unrwa’s senior emergency officer."

Odd that there’s no condemnation of Hamas for these extrajudicial executions.

How many times have aid convoys and security personnel guarding the convoys been bombed and attacked by the IDF? Too many to count. Is there any surprise when there's less decent people willing to come forward when there's a high chance they will be killed.

Could you provide verified proof of the number of aid convoys and security personnel being bombed since the truce began?

So Israel needs to stop targeting aid convoys but also needs to start targeting aid convoys?

When did I say it was since the truce? You must know that many, many aid workers have been killed by Israel during this war. Even those who co-ordinated their routes with the IDF have been bombed and murdered.

Sounds about right 😄

When did I say they should target aid convoys?

So you know that Israel is stopped food aid and that some people may be starving but still largely blame the people because they should share it out better? Reminds me of the time we all shared out the hand sanitizer at the start of Covid - no hoarding, no price gouging! I’m sure we’d all get on really well sharing out food at a time of starvation.

I agree with your point on deradicalisation. If you start trying to minimise or justify starvation as a method of war, your thinking has become extreme.

How do you feel about cutting off the water or electricity?

I want to know since the truce because we are talking about current aid not previous aid during the war. If you can't understand that I can't help.you.