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BBC documentary - children of Gaza

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SmokeRingsOfMyMind · 18/02/2025 20:55

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2025/feb/17/gaza-how-to-survive-a-warzone-review-these-incredible-children-offer-a-sliver-of-hope

Did anyone see this last night? Heartbreaking and enraging in equal measure.

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Everexpanding · 23/02/2025 16:05

YogiBear19 · 23/02/2025 15:37

Actually life in Gaza doesn't look too bad from the tv footage I have seen... young and old alike are managing to all look extremely well fed and full of energy, joy and vitality during their gleeful demonstrations of joy during their family street parties to celebrate the murder (with bare hands) and subsequent stoning of the tiny dead Israeli babies to try to cover up what they have done, the slaughter of innocent men, women and elderly holocaust survivors (one of whom was a well known peace activist who devoted his life to transporting unwell Gazans across the border for medical treatment in Israel) as their coffins are handed back to Israel.

The only starving, malnourished looking ones are the released innocent Israeli hostages (the ones being swapped for hundreds of convicted Palestinian rapists and murderers.)

Shame on you, don’t have the energy to argue with someone so shamelessly racist /biased, so devoid of humanity and compassion. How many children has Israel left orphaned/ traumatised/ disabled? seeing as this is mumsnet how many women has it left without healthcare during pregnancy, without pain relief during childbirth, without a safe or sanitary place to bring their babies home too. Israel is guilty of war crimes. But Palestinians don’t look sad enough for you, Jesus Christ

Lyn397 · 23/02/2025 16:10

YogiBear19 · 23/02/2025 15:37

Actually life in Gaza doesn't look too bad from the tv footage I have seen... young and old alike are managing to all look extremely well fed and full of energy, joy and vitality during their gleeful demonstrations of joy during their family street parties to celebrate the murder (with bare hands) and subsequent stoning of the tiny dead Israeli babies to try to cover up what they have done, the slaughter of innocent men, women and elderly holocaust survivors (one of whom was a well known peace activist who devoted his life to transporting unwell Gazans across the border for medical treatment in Israel) as their coffins are handed back to Israel.

The only starving, malnourished looking ones are the released innocent Israeli hostages (the ones being swapped for hundreds of convicted Palestinian rapists and murderers.)

Yeah, I mean according to UNICEF, more than 14,500 children have been killed in Gaza since the start of the war but really life isn't too bad at all.

What a despicable thing to say.

DelaneysOnTheWineAgain · 23/02/2025 16:10

Everexpanding · 23/02/2025 16:05

Shame on you, don’t have the energy to argue with someone so shamelessly racist /biased, so devoid of humanity and compassion. How many children has Israel left orphaned/ traumatised/ disabled? seeing as this is mumsnet how many women has it left without healthcare during pregnancy, without pain relief during childbirth, without a safe or sanitary place to bring their babies home too. Israel is guilty of war crimes. But Palestinians don’t look sad enough for you, Jesus Christ

Agree @YogiBear19 s post is truly shocking.
How can anyone think and go to such lengths to post this
Shameful!

DelaneysOnTheWineAgain · 23/02/2025 16:14

AnxiousRose · 23/02/2025 14:50

It is clear your emotions are blinding you to what other people are acutally saying because nobody here is expressing support for a proscribed terrorist organisation.
And yes we do know what proscribed means.

That post by Giraffe ( I’m not abbreviating to noble ) which I see is now deleted was yet another shocker on this thread.
Complete misinterpretation of peoples posts suggesting illegality.
👏👏 for calling it out Anxious

noblegiraffe · 23/02/2025 16:19

DelaneysOnTheWineAgain · 23/02/2025 16:14

That post by Giraffe ( I’m not abbreviating to noble ) which I see is now deleted was yet another shocker on this thread.
Complete misinterpretation of peoples posts suggesting illegality.
👏👏 for calling it out Anxious

I'm interested to hear who she meant by the 'other side' that we should be listening to and not calling lies and propaganda on a thread where people are discussing lies and propaganda put out by Hamas.

AnxiousRose · 23/02/2025 16:21

Martymcfly24 · 23/02/2025 15:31

@noblegiraffe perhaps (and I could be wrong )the poster meant that any information regarding Gaza in a sympathetic light is treated with suspicion here. Al Jazeera, the Guardian, Middle East Eye, social media commentators etc .
It does not necessarily have to be information/ propaganda that is direct from Hamas that is seen as untrustworthy.

Its easy to undertand why some people think its black and white, it's a very emotionally charged issue.

But it's important to see both sides. Many would say that the BBC were bullied into taking the documentary down. Ironically it has probably reached a greater audience due to the attention as people worldwide are searching it out online to watch it.

BBC sources indicated the intention is to make the documentary available to watch again once a “due diligence” exercise has taken place.

noblegiraffe · 23/02/2025 16:26

But it's important to see both sides

Again being coy. You think it is important to see Hamas's side?

Martymcfly24 · 23/02/2025 16:26

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 23/02/2025 15:45

Lol if that's the case how did one linked to Hamas squeeze in to a documentary?! They knew what they were doing.

BBC need to try again.

Lol?

We are talking about a traumatized generation who have lost everything, their homes, family members, education their innocence.

Seriously do better.

Everexpanding · 23/02/2025 16:53

noblegiraffe · 23/02/2025 16:26

But it's important to see both sides

Again being coy. You think it is important to see Hamas's side?

Maybe the side of the Palestinian people is what she is referring to, the people at the receiving end? You know actual people with the same emotions as the rest of us

noblegiraffe · 23/02/2025 16:57

Everexpanding · 23/02/2025 16:53

Maybe the side of the Palestinian people is what she is referring to, the people at the receiving end? You know actual people with the same emotions as the rest of us

But that’s not why people are objecting to the documentary. The documentary has been taken down because of its links to Hamas, not because it represents the Palestinian people.

That poster suggests that the BBC was ‘bullied’ into taking it down which certainly suggests that she thinks that it should stay up despite the links to Hamas.

and your regularly scheduled reminder that Hamas is a proscribed terrorist organisation.

DelaneysOnTheWineAgain · 23/02/2025 17:08

noblegiraffe · 23/02/2025 16:26

But it's important to see both sides

Again being coy. You think it is important to see Hamas's side?

Or perhaps the people of Palestine….what a shocker

Falling back on oh but Hamas won’t scare people into submission….if constant inflammatory language is an attempt to stop support for the Palestinian people.
To date they haven’t killed as many innocent civilians as the IDF

Martymcfly24 · 23/02/2025 17:10

@noblegiraffe The previous poster never mentioned Hamas.

Are you unable to distinguish between Hamas and Palestinians?

And everyone knows what a proscribed terrorist organization is, there is no need to (repeatedly) use this word as a form of a threat to shut posters up about any sympathy shown to Palestinians.

DelaneysOnTheWineAgain · 23/02/2025 17:13

Martymcfly24 · 23/02/2025 17:10

@noblegiraffe The previous poster never mentioned Hamas.

Are you unable to distinguish between Hamas and Palestinians?

And everyone knows what a proscribed terrorist organization is, there is no need to (repeatedly) use this word as a form of a threat to shut posters up about any sympathy shown to Palestinians.

You just got there before me.
It does show though that we can all see what’s going on here.

noblegiraffe · 23/02/2025 17:16

The previous poster never mentioned Hamas.

Yes, I know, they keep referring to ‘the other side”.

Who is the “other side” in this conflict? Because as far as I’m aware it’s Hamas and the Palestinian people are collateral damage and yet this poster keeps talking about how we need to listen to “the other side” without being specific as to who they mean, on a thread where the issue with the documentary is clearly its links to Hamas.

Wondering why you haven’t spotted this.

noblegiraffe · 23/02/2025 17:18

If we are all agreed that Hamas are a proscribed terrorist organisation then why would the BBC need ‘bullying’ into taking down the documentary which has clear links to them? Surely we’d all agree that it was a major error on the part of the BBC to allow that to happen?

Everexpanding · 23/02/2025 17:26

noblegiraffe · 23/02/2025 16:57

But that’s not why people are objecting to the documentary. The documentary has been taken down because of its links to Hamas, not because it represents the Palestinian people.

That poster suggests that the BBC was ‘bullied’ into taking it down which certainly suggests that she thinks that it should stay up despite the links to Hamas.

and your regularly scheduled reminder that Hamas is a proscribed terrorist organisation.

I do think it was a mistake by the documentary makers to include the narrator without disclosure that he was the son of a Hamas deputy minister for agriculture, Ayman al-Yazouri purely because it gave grounds to those who were always going to call for the documentary’s removal . I am no fan of Hamas but interesting to note that Israel has recently declared six human rights organizations engaged in monitoring human rights violations in Israel and assisting the Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court in his investigation into Israel’s crimes to be “terrorist organizations. It might have been difficult for documentary makers to find anyone Israel might deem ok to talk to

noblegiraffe · 23/02/2025 17:31

It might have been difficult for documentary makers to find anyone Israel might deem ok to talk to

The UK government list them as a proscribed terrorist organisation which is rather more important when discussing the BBC documentary than what Israel thinks of them.

Martymcfly24 · 23/02/2025 17:34

noblegiraffe · 23/02/2025 17:16

The previous poster never mentioned Hamas.

Yes, I know, they keep referring to ‘the other side”.

Who is the “other side” in this conflict? Because as far as I’m aware it’s Hamas and the Palestinian people are collateral damage and yet this poster keeps talking about how we need to listen to “the other side” without being specific as to who they mean, on a thread where the issue with the documentary is clearly its links to Hamas.

Wondering why you haven’t spotted this.

I don't know if you are being deliberately obtuse or what.

Of course there are two sides.
Palestinians that are not in Hamas can still have very strong feelings about the horrendous treatment they have received from the Israeli government while living under in an Occupied Territory or the fact in the past 18 months the horror they have lived through.

Do they not get a voice? Or should Israel be allowed to continue the way they have treated Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank.

noblegiraffe · 23/02/2025 17:38

Of course there are two sides.

Please name the two sides.

Palestinians that are not in Hamas….Do they not get a voice?

They should get a voice but unfortunately the documentary makers chose the son of a prominent Hamas terrorist to narrate the documentary instead of a non-Hamas civilian.

Everexpanding · 23/02/2025 17:42

noblegiraffe · 23/02/2025 17:31

It might have been difficult for documentary makers to find anyone Israel might deem ok to talk to

The UK government list them as a proscribed terrorist organisation which is rather more important when discussing the BBC documentary than what Israel thinks of them.

I repeat I am no fan of Hamas but you are aware Nelson Mandela was once deemed to be a terrorist by the Uk, and that many people would deem the actions of the Israeli state to be terrorism* ? I personally would love the faces and voices of Netanyahu and Yoav Gallant to never appear on the bbc but here we are.
*balfourproject.org/the-label-of-terrorist-a-bid-to-discredit-and-silence-opponents/

DelaneysOnTheWineAgain · 23/02/2025 17:47

Everexpanding · 23/02/2025 17:42

I repeat I am no fan of Hamas but you are aware Nelson Mandela was once deemed to be a terrorist by the Uk, and that many people would deem the actions of the Israeli state to be terrorism* ? I personally would love the faces and voices of Netanyahu and Yoav Gallant to never appear on the bbc but here we are.
*balfourproject.org/the-label-of-terrorist-a-bid-to-discredit-and-silence-opponents/

Excellent article
Well worth reading …Thankyou!

Martymcfly24 · 23/02/2025 17:48

Everexpanding · 23/02/2025 17:42

I repeat I am no fan of Hamas but you are aware Nelson Mandela was once deemed to be a terrorist by the Uk, and that many people would deem the actions of the Israeli state to be terrorism* ? I personally would love the faces and voices of Netanyahu and Yoav Gallant to never appear on the bbc but here we are.
*balfourproject.org/the-label-of-terrorist-a-bid-to-discredit-and-silence-opponents/

Nail.on.head.

noblegiraffe · 23/02/2025 17:49

I repeat I am no fan of Hamas but you are aware Nelson Mandela was once deemed to be a terrorist by the Uk

This sounds like you are trying to suggest that Hamas, who conducted the October 7th massacre raping, torturing and murdering people and posting it on social media, who took hostages and paraded the coffins of dead babies to music and crowds might conceivably be incorrectly viewed as terrorists?

justanothercrapbedtime · 23/02/2025 17:57

I saw the documentary. And the blase response of the woman who was the only one asked what she thought of the killing of Israeli civilians said it all really. It was a token comment said without any real conviction

Everexpanding · 23/02/2025 18:06

noblegiraffe · 23/02/2025 17:49

I repeat I am no fan of Hamas but you are aware Nelson Mandela was once deemed to be a terrorist by the Uk

This sounds like you are trying to suggest that Hamas, who conducted the October 7th massacre raping, torturing and murdering people and posting it on social media, who took hostages and paraded the coffins of dead babies to music and crowds might conceivably be incorrectly viewed as terrorists?

Do you think the stats below from before before Oct 7 qualify as terrorism ? If not can you explain why not ?

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