BBC documentary - children of Gaza

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https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2025/feb/17/gaza-how-to-survive-a-warzone-review-these-incredible-children-offer-a-sliver-of-hope

Did anyone see this last night? Heartbreaking and enraging in equal measure.

In 2008-9 in Operation Cast Lead the IDF killed over 1,400 Palestinians, of whom at least 850 were civilians (including 300 children and 110 women) and wounded over 5,000. Four Israeli civilians were killed by Palestinian rockets, ten soldiers were killed and 148 wounded. In 2014 in Operation Protective Edge some 2,200 Palestinians were killed, of whom 1,492 were civilians (including some 500 children and 300 women), and over 10,000 wounded. Sixty-six Israeli soldiers were killed and six civilians were killed by rocket and mortar fire from Gaza. In 2018 in the course of Palestinian protests along the border of Gaza, dubbed the Great Return March, over 120 Palestinians were killed by live fire and tear gas and 13,000 wounded. From 10 to 21 May of this year 256 Palestinians were killed in Gaza (including 66 children and 40 women) and 2,000 wounded. In the West Bank 26 Palestinians were killed and 6,900 wounded. Thirteen Israelis were killed, including two children and six women.

No I don’t think it suggests that at all…..you can of course disagree, your choice.
I believe It clearly shows that all is not what it seems.
Just look at all the organisations in humanitarian aid et all that have been deemed terrorists by the Israeli Govn ….why ! How are they terrorists…..what dictionary is Netanyahu using ?!! At least to critical thinkers it is obvious there’s no need to guess their modus operandi on that one….
Just a read of the link posted by @Everexpanding article is worth a read To see other views….as a starter.

No I don’t think it suggests that at all…..you can of course disagree, your choice.

So you agree that Hamas are terrorists and are correctly on the ‘proscribed terrorist organisation’ list decided by the U.K. government?

Deflating…..again!

conveniently missing the point noted. Years of this!

Its so riduculous, ahistorical and inaccurate to draw comparisons between Mandela/ANC, and Hamas both in terms of the way they operated and the way they were perceived. Do some research.

Just to clarify for you I think the events of October 7th were appalling, terribly sad and not deserved by any of the individuals involved. They did however not occur in a vacuum

Why aren’t you answering what seems to be a straightforward question?

Do you agree that Hamas are terrorists and correctly included on the government list?

Because you are deflating mine.
Do you really think I, or anyone would bother when you clearly ignore
Normal conversation recognises others thought processes and responds accordingly and to the point. It’s not about deflecting.
I just ignore …. that’s the only worthy response

(it’s not like my posts are difficult to understand either )

I am not comparing Hamas to Nelson Mandela, i repeat I am not a fan of Hamas, I am saying that the label of terrorist is inconsistently applied, and often applied to shut down criticism, dehumanise and allow for discrimination and the silencing of those who have/ or are being oppressed. It allows for example Palestinian minors to be detained indefinitely without trial, it allows for hospitals to be bombed in contravention of international law etc etc etc it allows for a documentary of public interest to be pulled because a ten year olds dad is the deputy minister for agriculture, I am however continuing to hear an accused war criminals voice ? Why

This. For those at the back that didn’t get it first time around !

Hi noblegiraffe, could you answer my question?

This really reads like you disagree with the designation of Hamas as a proscribed terrorist group.

The post you quoted doesn’t have a question in it.

It seems not @Everexpanding . It’ll be a long wait.

It did the first time, do you think the stats from before Oct 7th equate to terrorism? If not can you explain why not?

Why are you posting stats prior to October 7th and do you think there’s required body count that makes a group count as terrorists? Is that why you’re not counting October 7th?

Here’s the government criteria, by the way:

“Terrorism” as defined in the act, means the use or threat of action which: involves serious violence against a person; involves serious damage to property; endangers a person’s life (other than that of the person committing the act); creates a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or section of the public or is designed seriously to interfere with or seriously to disrupt an electronic system.
The use or threat of such action must be designed to influence the government or an international governmental organisation or to intimidate the public or a section of the public, and must be undertaken for the purpose of advancing a political, religious, racial or ideological cause.

Perhaps they struggled to find anyone to talk to that wasn't connected to Hamas.

Some people have one line of argument and use it a lot. Best ignore.

Any critical thinkers can see there are two sides to this story. And most people have increadible empathy for ALL of the people affected by this conflict.

What would you define those figures as?
Also how would you define the below:

”Israel’s military dropped leaflets across the Gaza Strip Thursday, openly threatening the territory’s entire population of more than 2 million people with forced displacement. The message, written in Arabic, references President Trump’s mass expulsion plan with a threat to “impose forced displacement upon you whether you accept it or not.” The message also read, “The map of the world will not change if all the people of Gaza disappear from existence, and no one will ask about you.”

What would you define those figures as?

What figures?

Also how would you define the below:

I'd define it as an attempt to move the conversation away from Hamas being a proscribed terrorist organisation and therefore it being reasonable that the BBC had to remove the documentary that had clear Hamas links from iPlayer.

Can you not see the deaths of Palestinians? Do they literally not register with you?
The stats/ figures I posted regarding the amount of Palestinians killed by the State of Israel before October 7th even occurred

i’d define this as an attempt to move away from whether we could also categorise the idf/ netanyahus government as terrorist organisations

We're talking about the designation of Hamas as a proscribed terrorist group therefore I assumed you were talking about the Israelis killed by Hamas and it not being enough to count as terrorism,

Apparently you were talking about the Palestinians being killed, but I'm not sure why that would mean that Hamas are not a terrorist group - the October 7th massacre would seem to justify that designation?

But that would seem to be entirely irrelevant to the discussion about the removal of the BBC documentary from iPlayer due to its links to Hamas, which is what I am on this thread to discuss.