BBC documentary - children of Gaza

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https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2025/feb/17/gaza-how-to-survive-a-warzone-review-these-incredible-children-offer-a-sliver-of-hope

Did anyone see this last night? Heartbreaking and enraging in equal measure.

So which Israeli-made propaganda films have you watched, in the interest of balance?

To get supporters in the west to re-post to increase the Israel is evil narrative. You should have a look at all the crowdfunders

I mean, I understand why they would make propaganda videos, but why make them look so obviously staged?
In a war zone, wouldn’t there be enough genuine material?
It’s just all so weird.

Why did you need a documentary to know how awful Gaza currently is? I find that somewhat bizarre from people who are clearly involved in this situation. It’s been demolished. It’s gone. That’s what Hamas wanted. They are willing to sacrifice every last drop of Palestinian blood for their cause. They don’t care.

You are also incredibly naive if think a two state solution is currently possible. That isn’t going to come for years and only after many more deaths. Only after the indoctrination of the Palestinians has been dealt with will it be possible for the two to co-exist. The sooner people understand that the better. There is no negotiating with Hamas/PA/PIJ and whatever other group there is. They don’t want peace. They want to destroy Jews. With their bare hands if need be. It is disgusting that Israel is expected to negotiate with Hamas. Let’s see what barbaric display they come up with tomorrow. Oh, and Israel has expected to release 600 prisoners. The bus bomb attacks that happened this morning? Just after they recently released hundreds of prisoners some of whom were responsible for the Intifada? Naive, naive, naive

The BBC have pulled this documentary. It breaks their standards for "due diligence".

And then you get videos like this one, perfect makeup and a nice cup of coffee amongst all the rubble, and off to the rooftop to watch coffins of Jewish hostages being paraded around:
https://x.com/NiohBerg/status/1892569054008729790

@inamarina something…something…innocent civilians…both sides…Israel is a terror state…two state solution…something something…From the river to the sea…all resistance is justified…something…Israel must be stopped.

Same old, same old.

Someone just reposted this statement by the BBC correspondent Paul Adams from October 8th 2023:

https://x.com/BBCPaulAdams/status/1710964716313452660

’Yeah, October 7th was bad, but…’

"All"? The death toll in Gaza is under 3%. Terrible, but hardly "all".

True, that was an exaggeration.

This link goes into details about the number of deaths. It is absolutely gross to have to even be discussing this, but the numbers we have all been given are unverified and from Hamas.

x.com/mr_andrew_fox/status/1893000504399069296?s=61&t=_cKTNp_TyAyzDViEOCJDFQ

ALL DEATHS ARE APPALLING.

Hamas hides combatant deaths in the casualty figures. People they themselves have killed are also included. As appalling and heartbreaking as it is, all wars have statistical analysis regarding combatant to civilian deaths. Everyone knows that during any war civilians will be killed, which is why everyone tries to get that ratio as low as possible. This war has got one of the lowest combatant to civilian death ratio in modern history. It is just wrong to say that Israel wants to “kill them all”. If you want to know about how the war has been carried out, there are plenty of military experts’ opinions online. Israel has caused massive damage in Gaza that will take years to replace, but they could have killed every last Gazan and levelled every building they haven’t (If you look in the right places you can find footage that Gazans themselves have posted showing new restaurants, markets full of fresh food, the aid that is there). Look at pictures of any area where there has been a war and you will see similar sights. So why the outrage at how Gaza looks?

Gaza is horrendous. It could have been much different. Gaza had money, it’s just that the greedy decided what to do with it and sort themselves out while building a terror infrastructure to further their aims of eliminating Jews. How much support does Hamas actually have? I don’t know. I do know they’ve got too much and there’s an awful lot of ordinary Gazans celebrating what Hamas has done. If the majority of Gazans are too terrified to voice their opposition to Hamas then the international community need to get heavily involved, especially Arab countries as Israel/the west shouldn’t do it. Hamas and their supporters are murderous barbarians that will not abide by our moral rules. They do not value life and glorify death. They raise their children to be martyrs.

Hamas and the doctrine of killing Jews has got to go. Until it does, there will not be what we call peace.

@Lolapusht thank you! Well said!!

Aah the bbc broadcasting pro Hamas propaganda over the same few days that the animals are revealed to have murdered those 2 poor babies in cold blood and done god knows what to their mother. The bbc are cheerleading this barbarism. Horrific.

I wholeheartedly agree. And I have looked at it from both sides. I’ve read more history books than you could possibly imagine. And I pay Palestinians the respect of actually listening to what they say. They have gone on the record many, many times to declare that they want to un-alive Jews. They’re proud of it! They’ve always been consistent with their message: “We don’t want a state next to a Jewish state, we want a state instead of the Jewish state”. And people indulge them in this vile delusion. Come on.

Do you think that’s a valid position to take? Do you honestly believe that the just and moral position is to get rid of the world’s only Jewish state (a tiny sliver of land the size of New Jersey and that comprises just 0.1% of the land mass of the entire Middle East) to make way for the world’s 23nd Arab state? I would call that pretty fucking unreasonable, wouldn’t you?

Read the history books. Israel are more sinned against than sinning.

I agree wholeheartedly

The boy helping the paramedics was not the boy you were talking about.

You could watch it and see. The little’paramedic’ was an extraordinary little boy. There is also a very engaging little girl who makes films of herself cooking with her sister’s help and has millions of followers, but you get the sense she is doing this as a way to keep a sense of life and hope.

BBC have quite rightly withdrawn it from iplayer.

Ironically the multiple complaints had a bit of a Streisand effect (when an attempt to hide information results in more people learning about it). Anticipating that the BBC may remove it, many people downloaded it and it is now being shared widely worldwide (instead of being IP locked to only UK viewers).

Just got it on YouTube there which is great because I can't access the iPlayer. Very interested to watch it .

If you want to watch Hamas propaganda you could also watch the hostage release staging. Perhaps the one where they paraded the coffins of babies through a crowd to music.

I watched that alright @noblegiraffe absolutely terrible and ridiculous on the part of Hamas.
No I wanted to watch about other children in Gaza and the terrible atrocities that are actually happening to them. See

I know this is a thread about the documentary, but for anyone who thinks Hamas is a legitimate political negotiating partner for Israel ie a party to agree the terms of a two state solution, maybe give this a watch.

Footage taken by Hamas of two hostages who were driven to yesterday’s release and watched as 3 hostages were paraded through their release ceremony.

https://x.com/graceinklaar/status/1893615595427393886?s=61&t=_cKTNp_TyAyzDViEOCJDFQ]]

Hamas took two of the hostages not being released to their vile performance yesterday and filmed them pleading for their lives. They have been tortured, held in tunnels, starved for 500+ days and were shown others getting freedom. They were then filmed as they recited their lines. No idea when they’ll be released as they’re Phase 2 hostages as far as I know. They may well end up being executed.

Think about it. Someone has planned this. They’ve decided it would be great publicity to take two hostages and film them pleading for their lives. They saw nothing wrong with that. It was a great idea. They’ve got media advice and they’re using every trick in the book to force public opinion.

I know…both sides…everyone should be working towards peace…two state solution is the only option…etc, etc, etc. Thousands have been killed because Hamas etc doesn’t care about life. They are not going to give up the hostages nor stop taking hostages. When they take a hostage, Israel is going to get them back and that will involve large scale military operations that result in lots of deaths of civilians of all ages. That is how this works. Hamas/Gazans/Palestinians know that. Two options, either Hamas stops taking hostages or Israel stops releasing prisoners and lets their people die in captivity.

Everyone saying Israel needs to be proportionate or that the killing needs to stop how is it going to stop when you’re dealing with people like this?

@Lolapusht that is beyond disgusting unjustifiable behavior on the part of Hamas and my heart goes out to anyone involved in that charade.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/2/16/israeli-soldiers-used-80-year-old-palestinian-as-gaza-human-shield-report

So is dealing with people like this though An 80 year old man with a explosive tied around his neck for 8 hours and then shot by different IDF officials along with his wife

All common decency has been lost by both sides in this conflict. I don't think either side can claim a moral high ground.

Absoutley, terrible atrocities by both sides.

"Ridiculous" isn't a word I would have chosen.

This is one of the children featured in the documentary.

The grooming of child soldiers by a terrorist group is definitely an atrocity. I don't think that's in the documentary though.