BBC documentary - children of Gaza

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https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2025/feb/17/gaza-how-to-survive-a-warzone-review-these-incredible-children-offer-a-sliver-of-hope

Did anyone see this last night? Heartbreaking and enraging in equal measure.

This othering of people may help to ease your conscience but is doesn't sit right with a lot of us.

If you’re against ‘othering’ then you’ll say Jewish people have the same right of return to their land as you’re advocating for the Palestinians.

Again, I clarified this a number of times. Yes I stated it had been debunked l, then referenced these claims in the article that was later found to be discredited in the New York Times, as that was the link I made, and indeed this was the most damaging peice of misinformation that has propelled the Oct 7 narrative.

And instead of actually putting forward credible sources on a thread about credible sources, you've all floundered about like wet seals.

A number of posters have asked for credible sources, but none are forth coming. Perhaps you can correct this?

I never said they didn't 😕

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This is from the UN Report on Palestine:
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1. In relation to the attack of 7 October in Israel, the Commission concludes on reasonable grounds that members of the military wings of Hamas and of other Palestinian armed groups, as well as Palestinian civilians who were directly participating in the hostilities, deliberately killed, injured, mistreated, took hostages and committed SGBV against: civilians, including Israeli citizens and foreign nationals; and members of the ISF, including soldiers considered hors de combat, in many locations in southern Israel. These actions constitute war crimes and violations and abuses of IHL and IHRL.
2. The Commission concludes that civilians were intentionally targeted, that the attack was premeditated and planned over a significant period, reflecting a high degree of organisation and coordination, and implemented in several locations at or about the same time. The attacks were led and coordinated by Hamas and implemented by the military wings of Hamas and six other Palestinian factions, with the participation of some Palestinian civilians.
3. Members of the military wing of Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups abducted primarily Israeli people as hostages to Gaza, without regard for age or gender, to use them in negotiations with the Israeli authorities. Some abductees were shot at and in some cases killed. Many abductions were carried out with significant physical, mental and sexual violence and degrading and humiliating treatment, including in some cases parading the abductees.
4. Israeli children were subjected to physical and emotional mistreatment on 7 October. In addition to those who were killed and injured, many children lost one or both parents. Many children witnessed the killings of their parents and siblings and were also filmed for propaganda purposes by Palestinian armed groups who published videos depicting young Israeli children in vulnerable positions. The Commission finds it particularly egregious that children were targeted for abduction, several of them taken
5. The Commission concludes that members of the military wing of Hamas and Palestinian armed groups targeted women, including by wilful killings, abductions, and physical, mental and sexual abuse. These crimes were deliberate and, in several cases, enforced with violence, intentionally causing great suffering and serious injury to the victims. The Commission particularly notes that women were subjected to GBV during the course of their execution or Women and women’s bodies were used as victory trophies by male perpetrators and the abduction, violence and humiliation of women, were put on public display, either on the streets of the Gaza Strip or online.
6. The Commission identified patterns indicative of sexual violence in several locations and concludes that Israeli women were disproportionally subjected to these crimes. The attack on 7 October enabled perpetrators to commit SGBV and this violence was not isolated but perpetrated in similar ways in several locations and by multiple Palestinian perpetrators.

War, not terrorism.

Is it within guidelines to force others to say what you want them to say…..
This is a discussion forum

But the U.N has deemed what Israel is doing is genocide and a number of you still denied it. So is the U.N credible or not?

Thank you.

I’m not forcing them. But people may draw their own conclusions if they evade a question rather than answering with a simple yes or no.

No
Thats war crimes !

100%

It sounded like a demand

I think you underestimate our members

Take it as what you want. The lack of an answer has lead to us all drawing our own conclusion.

I'm still waiting to hear these credible sources

It’s very poor form to demand an answer to your own question then evade answering when they ask one in return.

Lots of people on here have been avoiding questions in all manner of areas.
Particularly when asked for proof.
They are well within their rights not to answer and not to conform to other posters requirements and requests.

The issue is that they do not push mumsnetters again and again.
They leave it be as clearly some requests may be uncomfortable to posters who we do not know.

I have already answered.

never again applies to Jewish people and the Holocaust. As you say, this thread is to discuss Gaza, specifically the BBC documentary, so I'll leave you to it.

You asked for sources and I supplied some I assumed you would believe! But apparently not.

No you haven’t.

You and @AzraiL were asked: Do you believe Jews have a right of return to the land they were displaced from by Arabs?

Neither of you have given a clear answer. You’ve dodged the question using every method available. I shall draw my own conclusions.

Agree
Again and again
It sounded uncomfortably like forcing a mumsnetter into submission.

As MNHQ noted
Peace and Love and I would add Understanding