BBC documentary - children of Gaza

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https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2025/feb/17/gaza-how-to-survive-a-warzone-review-these-incredible-children-offer-a-sliver-of-hope

Did anyone see this last night? Heartbreaking and enraging in equal measure.

Equally it went from discussion of the TV show to your ever-changing ‘information sources’ and how October 7 was ‘debunked’, followed by some slippery question evading when asked about Jews who were forced to leave their settlements.

Survivors of the Holocaust were not "expelled from Europe", though some had been deported or forced out of some Nazi-supporting countries. But since you ask, my opinion of the Holocaust and the general treatment of Jews at that time is that it was unspeakably appalling. If compensation for forfeited goods and property seized and the "right to return" are awarded to some displaced people they should be awarded to all. For instance, I know Jews whose families were forced out of Egypt by Nasser in the 1950s, having to leave all their property behind.

Now it’s your turn to answer my question (though actually I asked first and you deflected).

In case you’re unaware of the history of the expulsion of Jews from Arab countries, you might be interested in reading this: https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/news/the-expulsion-of-jews-from-arab-countries-and-iran--an-untold-history#:~:text=Despite%20the%20positive%20influence%20that,Arab%2DIsraeli%20war%20of%201948.

Great, so by extension, you must agree that all Palestinians have a right of return?

You still haven’t answered. Do you believe Jewish people have a right to reclaim their land which is now occupied by Arabs?

More deflection on your part.

No, I don’t think anyone should have a right of return. It has never been granted to any other unfortunate people in the past so I don’t see why it should be granted to Palestinians - most of whom can’t "return" anyway, as they have never lived in the places they claim to want to "return" to.

You still haven’t answered my question. I wonder why that might be.

Thinking about the children of Gaza, I would like to reflect on all the children and adolescents attending the grotesque hostage handovers.
Assuming that babies, toddlers and young children aren’t requesting to be there, I would suggest that this is one of the biggest demonstrations of child abuse.
Perpetrated by?
Hamas
I don’t know whether the Palestinian families in attendance have been coerced to do so.

And yet so few voices on the anti Israel spectrum condemning this horrific manipulation and ‘use’ of Palestinian’s most vulnerable citizens by their own people.

The same applies to the child in the documentary regardless of who he’s related to.
Child abuse.

I don’t really know why I’m posting this.
On another thread I just wanted to honour 4 dead hostages, a baby, a child, a mother and an elderly gentleman who died at the hands of Hamas and that descended into the usual depressing rhetoric from posters who seem to pride themselves on arguing the pro Palestinian cause at every opportunity.

Somewhere along the way though, it strikes me that they’ve lost a part of the very humanity they seem so keen to argue about at every turn.

It's not deflection, I'm actually just bringing the topic back to what is currently happening, and what this thread is actually about - Gaza. I'm actually preventing you from deflecting.

Seeing as Palestinians have been in Palestine for centuries, and their displacement has been only recent, going by your own logic you must agree Palestinians have a right of return.

Because he/she can’t. They’re confirming my suspicions, which is that the ‘concern regarding oppression/land grabs’ is for many really just an inherent belief that anything which furthers Islam is justified, and if the Palestinians weren’t Muslim they wouldn’t give a hoot.

There’s another thread specifically about the family,

It's actually you who is deflecting. The point of this post was to discuss Gaza. You've gone off topic.

😂😂 I’m amazed that you’ve only realised we’re ’deflecting’ when you don’t want to acknowledge the hypocrisy in what you’re saying and afford the same concern to Jews.

Anybody?

No one has denied anything or celebrated anything to do with Oct 7, we've merely touched on source credibility. The only denying happening here are those denying a genocide is happening.

People are allowed to be upset that there is a genocide without being accused of 'losing their humanity'.

I believe any form of attempt from a genocide denier or supporter to discuss Oct 7 is an ill disguised attempt to illicit support for genocide - I personally won't engage.

Surely @AzraiL means they have a right to their own land. A two state solution

If that's what everyone thinks, then so be it. I am here to discuss Gaza and Gaza only. This is the topic of the thread.

When we said 'never again' we meant 'never again' for everyone. I appear to be the only one out of the two of us who stands by this.

……..of course he/she does

No one has denied anything or celebrated anything to do with Oct 7

I posted that people had been raped, murdered and tortured on October 7th and you quoted my post saying that had been debunked, @AzraiL

The thread seems to have gone sharply downhill since then.

That was about source credibility. I was not denying anything about Oct 7, but pointing out one of the key sources outlining what allegedly happened turned out to be false. You all seem oddly confused about this.

Yes because you care about Gaza and Gaza only.

Herein, ladies and gents, is the issue. When have you ever seen an Islamic country afford another the same concern they demand to be shown?

Where’s the Islamic countries’ support for Ukraine, as they are so concerned about land grabs and oppression?

Where are the marches against Boko Haram, who are seizing territory and murdering as they go?

There won’t be any, because as I said, this is not a two way street.

Westerners falling over themselves to support a self governing Palestine so they can get high on the feelz of ‘anti colonialism’ or whatever, are like chickens voting for KFC. If they were being oppressed and invaded, Palestine wouldn’t give them a second look.

I fully condemn and regret the deaths of all innocent civilians but the bigger picture really needs a second look from some of you.

Ok, so you’re happy for everyone to know that you believe Palestinians have the right of return to land from which they were displaced, but Jews don't.

Glad we’ve got that clear.

I find opinions like that despicable but obviously you find them acceptable.

(And since you’re "here to discuss Gaza only" it’s rather odd that you went off on a tangent about the Holocaust.)

This is the most unhinged thing I've had the misfortune to read.

This - everyone else reading - is a clear example of 'losing humanity'.

My post said there was rape, murder and torture on October 7th, and you specifically quoted my post and said it had been debunked.

When it was pointed out you were talking offensive bollocks, you then plucked some other claims about October 7th and said they had been debunked, which in no way justifies your response to my post.

Perhaps you should think before you post.

Then go ahead and support your position of ‘I just care about justice’ by saying Jews have a right of return to their land?

There was no source to question in pp‘s post.
She only mentioned the events on October 7th and you said they’d been debunked.