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BBC documentary - children of Gaza

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SmokeRingsOfMyMind · 18/02/2025 20:55

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2025/feb/17/gaza-how-to-survive-a-warzone-review-these-incredible-children-offer-a-sliver-of-hope

Did anyone see this last night? Heartbreaking and enraging in equal measure.

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quantumbutterfly · 24/02/2025 13:03

AzraiL · 24/02/2025 12:57

The same way most other educated people do. If you have to ask, well...

Ah yes, 'educated'. Who educated you?

AzraiL · 24/02/2025 13:04

inamarina · 24/02/2025 12:58

I‘d also be interested if pp included Hamas footage from October 7th in their thorough research.

Did this all start on Oct 7?

AzraiL · 24/02/2025 13:04

quantumbutterfly · 24/02/2025 13:03

Ah yes, 'educated'. Who educated you?

Professors at a university, the usual.

AnxiousRose · 24/02/2025 13:04

I wonder if anybody would like to share what they consider to be reliable sources? I am genuinely interested.

SharonEllis · 24/02/2025 13:05

AzraiL · 24/02/2025 12:50

I made that link. This is because it is still being referenced today to justify a genocide. In a thread where people are discussing the credibility of sources, I felt the need to bring it to attention. There was no credibility behind those claims. Which means we now have to double and triple check any claims.

Nobody mentioned Anna Schwarz except you. You claimed that mass rape, murder and torture on 7 October were 'debunked'. There was unquestionably mass rape, torture and murder on 7 October. Why are claiming it did not happen?

Wildflowers99 · 24/02/2025 13:07

AzraiL · 24/02/2025 13:04

Did this all start on Oct 7?

No, it started when Semitic people (first people) were expelled

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-206581/

AzraiL · 24/02/2025 13:07

SharonEllis · 24/02/2025 13:05

Nobody mentioned Anna Schwarz except you. You claimed that mass rape, murder and torture on 7 October were 'debunked'. There was unquestionably mass rape, torture and murder on 7 October. Why are claiming it did not happen?

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Yes, I mentioned Anna. I mentioned her in a thread where people decided to chime in on 'credibility of sources'. So I pointed out that claims were made in her article that did not have any evidence to support it. Why are you so confused?

AzraiL · 24/02/2025 13:09

Wildflowers99 · 24/02/2025 13:07

No, it started when Semitic people (first people) were expelled

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-206581/

So... this genocide is happening because?

inamarina · 24/02/2025 13:12

AzraiL · 24/02/2025 13:04

Did this all start on Oct 7?

Stop deflecting.
Have you seen the footage, and would you say no murder, torture or rape happened on October 7th?
Because that‘s what you‘ve claimed in your now deleted posted, that it’s all been debunked.

AzraiL · 24/02/2025 13:15

inamarina · 24/02/2025 13:12

Stop deflecting.
Have you seen the footage, and would you say no murder, torture or rape happened on October 7th?
Because that‘s what you‘ve claimed in your now deleted posted, that it’s all been debunked.

I'm not deflecting. I'm saying (as I have been the whole thread) that nothing - NOTHING - justifies the genocide that Israel is committing against Palestinian Jews, Christians, and Muslims. Nothing justifies the murder of tens of thousands of innocent civilians. Nothing.

Shall I say it one more time?

Nothing.

Once more, just in case you didn't get it the first few times.

Nothing.

AnxiousRose · 24/02/2025 13:16

I think most people can agree that both Hamas and the Israeli government have committed horrific acts. There is no moral high ground here.

The topic of discussion in this thread is the documentary.

LetThereBeLove · 24/02/2025 13:21

Palestinian Jews? I don't know of any. There are 2 million Israeli Arabs in Israel as well as Christians and Druze.

Wildflowers99 · 24/02/2025 13:24

AzraiL · 24/02/2025 13:09

So... this genocide is happening because?

Because of October 7th? Any other trigger you can think off which meant the conflict started a few days after or was that a stunning coincidence?

inamarina · 24/02/2025 13:26

AzraiL · 24/02/2025 13:15

I'm not deflecting. I'm saying (as I have been the whole thread) that nothing - NOTHING - justifies the genocide that Israel is committing against Palestinian Jews, Christians, and Muslims. Nothing justifies the murder of tens of thousands of innocent civilians. Nothing.

Shall I say it one more time?

Nothing.

Once more, just in case you didn't get it the first few times.

Nothing.

No, you said that murder, torture and rape on October 7th 'have been debunked'.
That post has been deleted, but you did say it.

SharonEllis · 24/02/2025 13:27

AzraiL · 24/02/2025 13:15

I'm not deflecting. I'm saying (as I have been the whole thread) that nothing - NOTHING - justifies the genocide that Israel is committing against Palestinian Jews, Christians, and Muslims. Nothing justifies the murder of tens of thousands of innocent civilians. Nothing.

Shall I say it one more time?

Nothing.

Once more, just in case you didn't get it the first few times.

Nothing.

That was not the question. Are you denying that mass rape, torture and murder was committed by Hamas on 7 October?

Everexpanding · 24/02/2025 13:32

I don’t think anyone here doubts that murder, rape and torture took place on October the 7th carried out by Hamas, and I think we all know that a colossal amount of sustained murder, rape and torture has been carried out by the Israeli State since October 7th a campaign judged to be a genocide due to mass displacement, destruction of civilian infrastructure, denial of aid, medical aid, water etc and the targeting of civilians, question is why we only ever get to hear the voices of one side? And why only one side are deemed terrorists?

Wildflowers99 · 24/02/2025 13:34

Everexpanding · 24/02/2025 13:32

I don’t think anyone here doubts that murder, rape and torture took place on October the 7th carried out by Hamas, and I think we all know that a colossal amount of sustained murder, rape and torture has been carried out by the Israeli State since October 7th a campaign judged to be a genocide due to mass displacement, destruction of civilian infrastructure, denial of aid, medical aid, water etc and the targeting of civilians, question is why we only ever get to hear the voices of one side? And why only one side are deemed terrorists?

Why wasn’t Britain deemed a terrorist in WW2? They bombed Germany, presumably destroyed their infrastructure etc?

Everexpanding · 24/02/2025 13:39

Well for one thing England did not target German civilians on a regular basis before the war started? Germans were not corralled into a tiny stretch of land with no means of escape,

Everexpanding · 24/02/2025 13:41

@Wildflowers99 can you acknowledge the horror of what Israel is doing or do you not care about Palestinian murdered civilians just Israeli ones?

Wildflowers99 · 24/02/2025 13:44

Everexpanding · 24/02/2025 13:39

Well for one thing England did not target German civilians on a regular basis before the war started? Germans were not corralled into a tiny stretch of land with no means of escape,

…did you know there was actually a war before that which resulted in the Treaty of Versailles and Germany losing significant territories? 😳 Among other large concessions? Germany was very much policed by the Allied forces prior to WW2.

Everexpanding · 24/02/2025 13:46

** can you acknowledge the horror of what Israel is doing or do you not care about Palestinian murdered civilians just Israeli ones?
yeah I’ve read a fair few history books,

AnxiousRose · 24/02/2025 13:47

Everexpanding · 24/02/2025 13:32

I don’t think anyone here doubts that murder, rape and torture took place on October the 7th carried out by Hamas, and I think we all know that a colossal amount of sustained murder, rape and torture has been carried out by the Israeli State since October 7th a campaign judged to be a genocide due to mass displacement, destruction of civilian infrastructure, denial of aid, medical aid, water etc and the targeting of civilians, question is why we only ever get to hear the voices of one side? And why only one side are deemed terrorists?

Terrorism is intentional violence during peacetime or in the context of war against non combatants.

But yes there has been clear evidence of war crimes by both Hamas & the Israeli government.

We hear mostly one side because Israel do not allow any independent observers or media into Gaza and call almost everything coming out of Gaza propaganda.

Everexpanding · 24/02/2025 13:48

Yep Germany like the govt of Israel and Israeli settlers was looking for Lebensraum
oops are we the baddies

AzraiL · 24/02/2025 13:52

Everexpanding · 24/02/2025 13:32

I don’t think anyone here doubts that murder, rape and torture took place on October the 7th carried out by Hamas, and I think we all know that a colossal amount of sustained murder, rape and torture has been carried out by the Israeli State since October 7th a campaign judged to be a genocide due to mass displacement, destruction of civilian infrastructure, denial of aid, medical aid, water etc and the targeting of civilians, question is why we only ever get to hear the voices of one side? And why only one side are deemed terrorists?

Good question

AzraiL · 24/02/2025 13:54

SharonEllis · 24/02/2025 13:27

That was not the question. Are you denying that mass rape, torture and murder was committed by Hamas on 7 October?

That's my answer.

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