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BBC documentary - children of Gaza

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SmokeRingsOfMyMind · 18/02/2025 20:55

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2025/feb/17/gaza-how-to-survive-a-warzone-review-these-incredible-children-offer-a-sliver-of-hope

Did anyone see this last night? Heartbreaking and enraging in equal measure.

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DelaneysOnTheWineAgain · 23/02/2025 19:09

DelaneysOnTheWineAgain · 23/02/2025 18:33

It seems not @Everexpanding . It’ll be a long wait.

Still waiting then @Everexpanding ☹️

noblegiraffe · 23/02/2025 19:10

AnxiousRose · 23/02/2025 18:47

Some people have one line of argument and use it a lot. Best ignore.

Any critical thinkers can see there are two sides to this story. And most people have increadible empathy for ALL of the people affected by this conflict.

Who are the two sides you are referring to here?

Everexpanding · 23/02/2025 19:17

noblegiraffe · 23/02/2025 19:07

But that would seem to be entirely irrelevant to the discussion about the removal of the BBC documentary from iPlayer due to its links to Hamas, which is what I am on this thread to discuss.

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In discussions of censorship the notion of who is allowed speak and who is not is very relevant, who is labelled what and why is important ? I am asking you to consider why we must listen to Israeli government propaganda ( including the voices of those accused of war crimes ) but not a documentary narrated by a ten year old boy related to the deputy minister for agriculture in Gaza?

Everexpanding · 23/02/2025 19:18

And by the way you didn’t answer my question still

noblegiraffe · 23/02/2025 19:20

Everexpanding · 23/02/2025 19:17

In discussions of censorship the notion of who is allowed speak and who is not is very relevant, who is labelled what and why is important ? I am asking you to consider why we must listen to Israeli government propaganda ( including the voices of those accused of war crimes ) but not a documentary narrated by a ten year old boy related to the deputy minister for agriculture in Gaza?

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Well, the answer to that would be because the deputy minister for agriculture in Gaza is a prominent member of a proscribed terrorist organisation who uses his son in Hamas propaganda, and the Israeli government are not.

You might not like the answer, but that's the answer.

Everexpanding · 23/02/2025 19:28

You still haven’t answered my question? Can you not?

noblegiraffe · 23/02/2025 19:29

⬆️ was that not an answer?

Everexpanding · 23/02/2025 19:43

I asked what you thought of the Israeli government’s actions ?

Everexpanding · 23/02/2025 19:46

and if you did not think they qualified as terrorism why not ?

noblegiraffe · 23/02/2025 20:05

Everexpanding · 23/02/2025 19:43

I asked what you thought of the Israeli government’s actions ?

Terrible? Abhorrent? Disproportionate? Devastating?

But I'm not sure why that has any relevance to the removal of the Hamas-linked documentary from iPlayer which is the topic of discussion here. Hamas have earned their terrorist designation.

noblegiraffe · 23/02/2025 20:08

Everexpanding · 23/02/2025 19:46

and if you did not think they qualified as terrorism why not ?

I don't know, I'm not in charge of the list, have you asked the government?

AnxiousRose · 23/02/2025 20:13

noblegiraffe · 23/02/2025 20:08

I don't know, I'm not in charge of the list, have you asked the government?

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It's beneficial to use your own critical thinking skills.

noblegiraffe · 23/02/2025 20:20

AnxiousRose · 23/02/2025 20:13

It's beneficial to use your own critical thinking skills.

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The countries going after Israel in the courts seem to be taking the route of war crimes and genocide rather than terrorism. 🤷‍♀️

wordsworthundercover · 23/02/2025 20:23

Everexpanding · 23/02/2025 18:08

In 2008-9 in Operation Cast Lead the IDF killed over 1,400 Palestinians, of whom at least 850 were civilians (including 300 children and 110 women) and wounded over 5,000. Four Israeli civilians were killed by Palestinian rockets, ten soldiers were killed and 148 wounded. In 2014 in Operation Protective Edge some 2,200 Palestinians were killed, of whom 1,492 were civilians (including some 500 children and 300 women), and over 10,000 wounded. Sixty-six Israeli soldiers were killed and six civilians were killed by rocket and mortar fire from Gaza. In 2018 in the course of Palestinian protests along the border of Gaza, dubbed the Great Return March, over 120 Palestinians were killed by live fire and tear gas and 13,000 wounded. From 10 to 21 May of this year 256 Palestinians were killed in Gaza (including 66 children and 40 women) and 2,000 wounded. In the West Bank 26 Palestinians were killed and 6,900 wounded. Thirteen Israelis were killed, including two children and six women.

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It is absolutely shocking. Over 4000 killed before Oct 7th. I was aware that Gaza has been bombed every few years by Israel, but had not seen the figures until now. I was appalled in 2021 when 66 children were killed. I could not fathom the cruelty of bombing civilians knowing that children will die. The sheer number of children killed now is shocking beyond words, and I include the 2 babies taken hostage. All these children were innocent, and if you put them in a room together they would probably just start playing, with no idea that they are supposed to hate each other.

Martymcfly24 · 23/02/2025 20:34

Or the two thirteen year olds fatally shot in the back in two separate incidents on Friday by the IDF. Both were either in or near their homes.

Children seem to be the ultimate losers in this conflict.

Everexpanding · 23/02/2025 20:41

@Lolapusht Oxfam would disagree

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Daily death rate in Gaza higher than any other major 21st Century conflict - Oxfam
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AnxiousRose · 23/02/2025 20:42

noblegiraffe · 23/02/2025 20:20

The countries going after Israel in the courts seem to be taking the route of war crimes and genocide rather than terrorism. 🤷‍♀️

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As I said its beneficial to use your own critical thinking skills. You have been repeating one line ad nauseum throughout this thread. You can critically evaluate what is going on yourself but only if you are willing to look at both sides. This is why the documentary is so invaluable. You would be increadibly nieve to think that a documentary could be made in Gaza without one side or the other claiming it is propaganda.

noblegiraffe · 23/02/2025 22:00

You've engaged your critical thinking skills and decided it is actually ok for the BBC to have featured as the narrator the son of a prominent Hamas terrorist? That the claim of propaganda because of this connection is invalid?

The BBC themselves claim that they didn't know.

Everexpanding · 23/02/2025 22:14

What part/ claim in the documentary did you think was propaganda? Or untrue?

noblegiraffe · 23/02/2025 22:18

How would I know? Which is really rather the point, isn't it?

SharonEllis · 23/02/2025 22:19

Everexpanding · 23/02/2025 22:14

What part/ claim in the documentary did you think was propaganda? Or untrue?

You are slightly missing the point aren't you?

Everexpanding · 23/02/2025 22:30

No a suggestion was made that the documentary was propaganda, I am just curious as to what part was false/ propaganda?

OpheliaWasntMad · 23/02/2025 22:46

noblegiraffe · 23/02/2025 18:55

Also how would you define the below:

I'd define it as an attempt to move the conversation away from Hamas being a proscribed terrorist organisation and therefore it being reasonable that the BBC had to remove the documentary that had clear Hamas links from iPlayer.

Yes . Anything but condemn Hamas 🙄

noblegiraffe · 23/02/2025 22:47

Everexpanding · 23/02/2025 22:30

No a suggestion was made that the documentary was propaganda, I am just curious as to what part was false/ propaganda?

You do like giving people homework, don't you?

The bit where the kid isn't shown going home to his high-ranking Hamas dad and that other kid isn't shown hanging out with Hamas and carrying a gun....because apparently that's the actual reality of life in Gaza for those particular kids.

OpheliaWasntMad · 23/02/2025 22:48

noblegiraffe · 23/02/2025 13:05

Sure, but when you are watching the documentary, it is probably worth knowing that Hamas are controlling the narrative.

I think this is a key point.

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