Do people fully support Palestine?

[Dawk]

I read this article and the scales fell from my eyes a bit: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/11/amid-the-ceasefire-wrangling-how-popular-is-hamas-in-gaza-now

I hadn’t realised that a majority of Gazans want a conservative Islamist state and the complete destruction of Israel to create an Islamic state covering the whole country (from the river to the sea I guess). They also support violence and even the sacrifice of their own lives.

I am appalled by the destruction and loss of life in Gaza, but having read this article I can’t understand why support for Palestine isn’t more caveated. Why are people waving flags and supporting Gaza so unconditionally? When you look at the polling described in the article it seems fairly clear that many/most don’t actually want peace unless it follows the complete destruction of Israel.

For me it’s a bit like supporting Iran. I would never wave the Iranian flag around because of what the country stands for. In this case I am horrified by the scale of destruction wrought by the IDF so support Palestine completely in that respect but I’d never wave the flag or chant the slogans.

If you consider yourself ‘pro-Palestine’, what do you think of the ideology described in the article?

Hamas propaganda? Actually the Taoiseach of my country said that, about what Israel doesn't allow into Gaza. Because it's true. And he saw it with his own eyes.

What a load of rubbish. Have you even bothered to read up on the six-day war's origins in detail?

Yes. Israel attacked first. I'm correcting the poster who was presenting untruths as facts.

Bluewhitebox Ireland is a very wealthy country so I expect they would be happy to take in Palestinian refugees. Third wealthiest by GDP per capita.

I refer you to GentleScroller @11.51 and bow to her knowledge.

Isreal never even got close to meeting their side of the bargain as always

The first and most pressing thing to do is to ensure food shelter and medical support get to the Palestinian people, that the bombing and terrorising stops and Palestinians are safe.

And I believe his word, not. Why doesn't he offer Palestinian refugees a safe haven in Ireland so that they can rebuild their lives?

Hamas 'never got close to meeting their side as usual.' They are the ones who are starving and torturing hostages.

This trope is starting to get my goat. And I say this who doesn´t give a fig about the Palestinian cause. But even I can see this is wrong on all levels. Palestinians belong in their ancestral land, not Ireland, Spain or Timbuctu!

The first and most pressing thing is that Hamas releases ALL the hostages.

I would imagine because it’s utterly in appropriate to offer safe haven to a people who don’t want to be relocated from their country. Do you think he should offer a place for Israelis to be moved from Israel? Behaved yourself.

You must have deliberately avoided watching Hamas's own footage of October 7th then. And missed the fact that tens of thousands of rockets have been fired from Gaza into Israel since October 7th (and plenty before that, as well as the Gazan terrorist attacks murdering Israelis citizens for decades prior to Oct 7th). The only reason Hamas has not reduced Israel to rubble long ago, is that Israel invested in the Iron Dome to protect its citizens.

Yes. its terrible what has happened to Gazan civilians since October the 7th, but think on this. ALL of those people dead and injured in the conflict would have been alive and healthy if Hamas had not committed Oct 7th. Hamas knew they were handing up their own people to be slaughtered when they committed October 7th, did not protect their people in their tunnels, but instead put out a press release saying that they welcomed the blood of their citizens to fortify their fighters.

Its absolutely incredible that people are blaming Israel for what is happening to Gaza and not Hamas.

Quite.

Can't even be bothered to do a 5m Google to check the things they are saying.

It's like shouting into the abyss.

Absolutely not.

Over 90% of Palestinians would vote for Hamas again.

They need to be protected but they aren’t being protected and Israel is behaving in an evil way when they drop bombs and make to effort to avoid civilian casualties
This is not true. Israel has made efforts to avoid civilian casualities. They give notice of areas to be bombed allowing people to evacuate. The huge convoys of people returning to Gaza in absolute testament to this. Hamas does not do this.

Israel has done far more to protect the citizens in Gaza than Hamas has.

It was not Israel that broke the ceasefire on Oct 7th.

Rockets at Israel’s “iron dome” defence system remind me of rocks against Israeli soldiers bullets. It’s not a fair fight and so the impact of the weaker combatant is less.
ALL of those people killed and maimed in Gaza by Israelis would not have been victims if Israel had not attacked them. If you pull the trigger you are responsible for the destruction caused. You may feel it’s justified but for those of us watching it is incomprehensible that anyone could hurt, terrorise, maim and kill in the way we have seen for any reason. Many of us have an understanding of a knee jerk retaliation. We imagine if our child was hurt or we were cornered we might commit a murderous act, but I just don’t think most people can find any sense in what Israel has been doing to Palestine.

Because he's not in favour of ethnic cleansing, presumably.

Why don't you believe him? Because you only believe Israel?

It's interesting how some people are only now waking up to the reality. Media coverage has a lot to answer for. I believe this is the first article the guardian has published that indicates the ordinary Palestinian people are not all victims and oppressed and were 'forced' to vote in hamas, when the polls show a very different picture.

@Katiesaidthat

"This trope is starting to get my goat. And I say this who doesn´t give a fig about the Palestinian cause. But even I can see this is wrong on all levels. Palestinians belong in their ancestral land, not Ireland, Spain or Timbuctu!"

I don't understand your issue with this. If certain Palestinian of their own free will wish to leave Gaza for stability , peace and prosperity and Ireland is willing to accept such Palestinian asylum seeking refugees then why shouldn't they be allowed to leave.

Saying Palestinians belong in their ancestral land is like saying Afghan refugees belong in Afghanistan or Iranian asylum seekers belong in Iran or Syrians refugees belong in Syria. If you are against the concept of all asylum seekers then this makes sense but why should Palestinians be prevented from leaving but other nationalities can?

Because Gaza has recently been flattened and 60000 people killed. So how voluntary is the movement when your entire city no longer exists.

It's nice that people who didn't care that most people were trapped in Gaza while the place was being bombed daily for over a year are only now so keen for them to have freedom of movement though.

@Lalaloveya

"Because he's not in favour of ethnic cleansing, presumably. "

But if the Palestinians leave voluntarily then how is this ethnic cleansing.

And if it is still ethnic cleansing (voluntary or involuntary leaving) then surely admitting any asylum seeking refugees from any nation in the world is ethnic cleansing?

@Lalaloveya

"Because Gaza has recently been flattened and 60000 people killed. So how voluntary is the movement when your entire city no longer exists."

Because you could equally write:

"Because Syria has been flattened and 580,000 people killed. So how voluntary is the movement when your entire city no longer exists."

Or
"Because Iran is run by an oppressive regime torturing and killing innocent civilians. So how voluntary is the movement"

Or
"Because Afghanistan has been flattened and 176k people killed. So how voluntary is the movement when your entire country no longer exists."

Why do you specifically wish to prevent Palestinian asylum seekers and not other nationalities?