Do people fully support Palestine?

[Dawk]

I read this article and the scales fell from my eyes a bit: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/11/amid-the-ceasefire-wrangling-how-popular-is-hamas-in-gaza-now

I hadn’t realised that a majority of Gazans want a conservative Islamist state and the complete destruction of Israel to create an Islamic state covering the whole country (from the river to the sea I guess). They also support violence and even the sacrifice of their own lives.

I am appalled by the destruction and loss of life in Gaza, but having read this article I can’t understand why support for Palestine isn’t more caveated. Why are people waving flags and supporting Gaza so unconditionally? When you look at the polling described in the article it seems fairly clear that many/most don’t actually want peace unless it follows the complete destruction of Israel.

For me it’s a bit like supporting Iran. I would never wave the Iranian flag around because of what the country stands for. In this case I am horrified by the scale of destruction wrought by the IDF so support Palestine completely in that respect but I’d never wave the flag or chant the slogans.

If you consider yourself ‘pro-Palestine’, what do you think of the ideology described in the article?

No I dont see it as the only evidence they have presented is that they, a non-Jewish person, has never experienced antisemitism. And now they realise that they didnt have the first clue of the extent of antisemitism. Its mind blowing.

Are you alright? Do you need a moment?

So only a Jewish person who has experienced antisemitism can judge if the driver of others opinion is based in antisemitism?

I’m sorry I don’t understand what you mean.

Just as a black person can judge the racism against him or her.

Maybe you need to read the conversation again.

Opinions opinions
LOL
We should be able to accept that there are others and they think.

And the only way forward is sharing the space, stopping hate, instead of making more. Share baby share, in Trump style.
Like it or not, right or wrong, the only way is living together, alongside each other.

Yes, hilarious LOL.

On the one side you have a multiracial, religiously tolerant population, and on the other side you have a monocultural population that would like to spread their monoculture further.

Which side is more likely to share?

It will be a very short discussion if OP is looking to answer

If you consider yourself ‘pro-Palestine’, what do you think of the ideology described in the article?

and Do people fully support Palestine?

and you are trying to discuss if this is driven by antisemitism if only some people’s opinions can be heard or explored. Do you not think you are missing a huge opportunity to understand others point view (with absolutely no need to agree with it)? It seems very purposefully insular.

I'm finding it hard to understand what you are trying to say.

Is this how you would describe the current conflict? Or a theoretical question?

If we were all living in Barbieland there would be nothing wrong with your “share baby share” view.

Trust and security has to be established first. On both sides.
It will only happen when Hamas are gone and Netanyahu’s government are gone.

But as it is, it was pretty crass!

Agreed

I didn't twist them. I just repeated them She said nobody has ever said that. You had said it literally minutes before 🤭

But I 100% agree with you.

Always love to see some agreement

Hamas is bad - agreed
Netanyahu is bad - agreed
Israel has a right to exist as a Jewish homeland - agreed

Part of the problem in discussing these issues, for me, is that the pro-Palestinian rhetoric tends towards anti-Zionism, so rather than being able to discuss how peace can be achieved, I find myself defending Israel's very existence and being told I don't care about the Palestinian people as though it is not possible to care about the Palestinian people without wishing for the destruction of Israel.

I actually think Israel is fully recognised and firmly stablished, just look at US support, UK support and other countries. Even now that there is criticism of the military actions taken, US is still standing by firmly. So is UK. None of the critics are questioning the right of Israel to exist or to defend itself. Just, well there are other better ways than flattening the whole area with millions of civilians in.
But I do know the type you feel defensive from. They are the pro-Hamas, I would call them, rather than pro-Palestine. And yes, they are anti-semitic.
Talking with respect, we can understand each other.

Most people really are pro-civilian and only wish to see everyone's right to live in peace granted. The problem is to find the real leaders who will be able to fight for that peace in the negotiating table and not with bombs and bullets.

Israel is indeed fully recognized and firmly established, so, what do you think the protestors are calling for when they chant, 'from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free'? What are the anti-Zionist placards calling for?

You keep saying no one is calling for the destruction of Israel, so why are those protestors not stopped by the crowds around them who apparently all recognize Israel's right to exist.

Oh, there we go again!

There have been arrests. It is on the papers. Easy to find.

I do not think about these people because I do not want anything to do with them. They are not part of the way forward and a silly minority.

I really like to think of a way OUT of this cycle. You know, towards PEACE,, not repeated war after war, after war, after war....

Most people really are pro-civilian and only wish to see everyone's right to live in peace granted.
This is well put

I do not think about these people because I do not want anything to do with them

And that, in a nutshell, is the problem with the 'Israel just needs to be kiiinnnndddd. Then we'll all live in peeeaaaace' brigade.

You might not like to think about them, but those people exist. In large numbers. And they have weapons and bombs, and - especially in Israel, but also worldwide - they choose to kill people.

Israel can't afford not to think about them.

But you're not proposing any way out of the cycle, except pretending that antisemitism doesn't really matter, ignoring the normalisation of denying the right of Israel to exist which has occurred across the protests of the last 18 months and minimising the security threat to Israel . Neither Israelis or Jews in the diaspora can be as complacent as you. What about their civilians rights? How about a time when all their young people dont have to do military service, when everyone doesn't need to build a safe room or run to a shelter when the sirens sound and when people don't get knifed at cafes or bombed at bus stops or kidnapped at music festivals.