Do people fully support Palestine?

[Dawk]

I read this article and the scales fell from my eyes a bit: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/11/amid-the-ceasefire-wrangling-how-popular-is-hamas-in-gaza-now

I hadn’t realised that a majority of Gazans want a conservative Islamist state and the complete destruction of Israel to create an Islamic state covering the whole country (from the river to the sea I guess). They also support violence and even the sacrifice of their own lives.

I am appalled by the destruction and loss of life in Gaza, but having read this article I can’t understand why support for Palestine isn’t more caveated. Why are people waving flags and supporting Gaza so unconditionally? When you look at the polling described in the article it seems fairly clear that many/most don’t actually want peace unless it follows the complete destruction of Israel.

For me it’s a bit like supporting Iran. I would never wave the Iranian flag around because of what the country stands for. In this case I am horrified by the scale of destruction wrought by the IDF so support Palestine completely in that respect but I’d never wave the flag or chant the slogans.

If you consider yourself ‘pro-Palestine’, what do you think of the ideology described in the article?

If antisemitism isn't widespread why do Jewish institutions, synagogues, schools, nurseries, etc, need guards?

But you're not respecting the experience of Jewish people and the people who have researched antisemitism. And no I dont particularly respect the position that one person's lack of experience of racism has any bearing on the experience of a different minority who has.

No. Our opinion is no where near as relevant as a Jewish persons opinion in this case. Surely you can see this?
My husband is black. I wouldn't dream of giving him my opinion as equal to his on racism.

There was one for Ukraine after Russia invaded, and there is a particular, remarkable and very long standing thread from that which is still going. I am not sure if more than this one thread is continuing though. It is remarkable because it is especially informative (lwhile remaining courteous.

It is easier though to discuss obviously as there are not so many Putin fans (though some come on as well as bots).

There may have been Syria discussions when that war began. Other especially long standing posters may know about that and other wars.

Completely agree. There is a huge amount of reverse racism at play from the people who cant possibly be antisemitic because they are the antiracists.

You will have to ask them. I would be interested to know if this was the case too begore the start of the war, so before the 7th Oct or part of increased security measures following this.

Local places of worship do have CCTV cameras, which could very well be continously monitored online ( I never thought of asking actually)

Don't be obtuse. They have them for security, in case they are attacked. It's been the case for decades in London.
Having CCTV cameras is not the same level of protection as having guards posted and indicates a lower likelihood of risk.

Yes synagogues and Jewish schools have had security protection for many years prior to 7/10. You can easily educate yourself on this score.

Thanks for letting me know, I did not know. It is not an issue that would cross my mind to educate myself about. Neither did I read anything in the news.
To be honest, the tone in these boards makes very difficult to engage with anything!

That's why posters have been trying to explain it to you. A lot of people simply don't see it because they don't understand it.

What do you mean about the tone in these boards making it difficult to engage?

No you dont have to ask them why they need security guards and enhanced security systems FFS. Its fucking obvious and its been the case for years, long before 7 October as the most cursory engagement with the issue before now would have told you. How can you be so convinced that there is so little antisemitism when you arent aware of something as basic as this.

Couldn't be weaponized ignorance?

Not just security guards either but advice and resources from the Community Security Trust set up years ago because there was a need, and regular monitoring from police and counter terrorism. Might you now acknowledge that you are not really in a position to pronounce on the levels of antisemitism?

No. My eyes are wide open and I understand the ancient and recent history of the region.
There has been too much indiscriminate killing, but Israel is trying to defend itself against guerrilla tactics. Missiles launched from civilian areas, recent mass terrorist attacks, decades of misiles. HAMAS are a terrorist organisation, backed by powerful allies and they were voted in.

I do think it would have been devastatingly powerful to NOT respond to the Hamas invasion/ slaughter last year.
So I think it's strategically stupid (from a PR pov)

But I still, on balance, stand with Israel and I think rabid anti israeli sentiment is ignorant.

It is more than I thought indeed.
I do not think this was reported in the news at the time, either.

I still think that it is not the reason why there is so many news coverage, though a bigger factor that I accounted for indeed. And it is the daily news what is keeping the UK public interested in it.

Sorry, what do you think should have been reported in the news? Every visit from counter terrorism to a synagogue? Every nasty email or letter to a Jewish organisation?Do you know how security works?
But still, you know best. Incredible.

I find this board difficult too. People ask what you think and then demand to know if you support Hamas, or what your solution is. Myself I try to avoid answering if I think people are just looking for a fight. I think some are unaware of how unsympathetic it makes readers to their position. Perhaps they think being contentious online is not important. Personally I would not like to be part of that.
I’m extremely fortunate in that mumsnet is not my only insight and certainly not representative of RL experience where I find people much more interested in hearing different views.

The attacks that made security of this nature indeed in sinagogues and schools, yes. Lol. I can imagine if my local school needed to have guards after receiving threats believable enough! That would make the news, for sure!

You know better, in your own home. Me, in mine.
I am not going to engage with you any longer. You are not the most respectful of people and you do not find me reasonable, but trust me, I do not find you either!

I would suggest that if you minimise antisemitism and double down again and again as your ignorance is increasingly revealed you are going to have a bit of a difficult time. Antisemitism ruins lives.

Fully agree.
It is tedious...

You've fully exposed your ignorance, so off you go.

I don't see where anyone, on this thread at least, has done that. You've made some comments that have received pushback, that's all.

Nah, they're fine, they can just continue to turn a blind eye to it. Much easier to feel you're on the right side that way.

I don’t think it IS minimising to have an opinion that it is not hat is driving peoples horror at what has unfolded. Any more than it minimises Islamophobia to say that wasn’t the main driver in any other reported event, or perhaps more specifically that while racism and xenophobia definitely motivated many people who voted for Brexit it was not the driver for all. Do you see?

It’s almost like we can have very different interpretations of the same event @BaMamma