Are Hamas as thick as they are evil?!

[Newbutoldfather]

After seeing masked, uniformed well-fed Hamas soldiers humiliating emaciated hostages, does anyone even feel a shred of sympathy for them?

Can’t they even understand how bad this looks and what the consequences will be both for themselves and, more importantly, for the rest of the Palestinians?

It would be hard for them to be as thick as they are evil, because they are extremely evil, but I think they might have achieved it…

It was reported that Trump had informed Netanyahu about his idea when they had their meeting before the press conference. It wasn't a surprise to him and has since then been vehemently pushing for it.

They under an apartheid regime next to an Israeli government that is determined to ethnically cleanse them from the area, slaughtering tends of thousands of innocent Palestinian women and children in the process.
Do you believe resisting that is unusual?

Like I say, better the US - despite the power inbalance - than genocidal terrorists.

Netanyahu is grabbing that opportunity.

Showing once again that for Israel it was never about the 141 square miles of land, and only ever about security.

I think it shows the opposite. It was always about land and we're watching that happen now.

Surely land and security are synonymous to a degree..

I think you might be getting cause and effect mixed up.

Do you believe attacking, raping, murdering, taking women and children hostage is resistance?

Apartheid means to set apart. How are the Palestinian Arabs that are now Israeli and full citizens in Israel set apart?

I'm afraid your arguments aren't making much sense to me.

There are many ways to achieve political goals other than violence and terrorism. It's Hamas' choices that have bought Gazans to the brink of being removed from their homeland forever. Ironic really.

But Israel won't get the land, so it obviously isn't.

It was always about security. And it still is.

This.

That's not true. Zionism means to settle the land and Israel considers Gaza and all the occupied territories as part of Greater Israel. There's no denying it. It's why they have been continuously expanding taking more and more Palestinian territory.

Why do I want a two state solution? Because what's the alternative? The only other possible way to end this is the complete ethnic cleansing of Gaza which will inevitably result in the slaughter of tens of thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands of civilians. In other words a crime against humanity. Why would anyone consider that a desirable outcome?

Ye gods! Israel did not put Hamas in power. Gazans elected them in 2006. Most of their $$$ has come from Iran and other states to fund their underground tunnels and weaponry with which to attack Israel.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html

This article massively under states Israels complicity

I meant a 2 state solution with hamas in control of gaza. Why would you want a 2 state solution with hamas in control?

A 2 state solution with a moderate government (not hamas) is a completely different thing (as I've explained before).

Violent resistance is always horrific. Every bit as horrific as blowing children to pieces in bombing raids.
The people of Gaza have equal rights with other Israeli citizens? Are you sure?

You keep missing the point. The point being hamas as part of the 2 state! I'm assuming you are doing it on purpose now.

I have literally no idea what you are talking about. How would the ethnic cleansing of Gaza 'inevitably' lead to the slaughter of 10's or 100's of thousands? Did I miss some huge news here? Or are you speaking in hyperbole? It's very difficult to follow what you're saying...

I wouldn't want Hamas in control. I'd want a progressive administration that could build a peaceful relationship with Israel

But resistance doesn't always have to be violent. That's been Hamas' choice.

No of course they people of Gaza don't have the same rights as Israelis. They are not Israelis. Their government doesn't afford them the same rights. They don't get to vote. They don't get to be gay. It was obvious I was talking about the Palestinian Arabs that stayed on their land during the war. After the war ended they became Israeli. Do you even know about this? The Arabs who live peacefully in Israel?

There you go "Hamas have said they will accept this and cease all hostilities, almost all other countries in region have offered to normalise relations with Israel in exchange for a two state solution. Even Iran has indicated it is open to it.
So why not, what's the issue?" Your words.......... so why not! I mean seriously! 🙄

You actually think a 2 state solution with hamas in charged as proposed by Hamas and backed by Iran is a good thing!🙄🙄🙄

OMG no words left. Hamas (remember that vile terrorist group) continuing in Gaza. The poor Gazans. You SUPPORT and on here promote THAT.

I'll leave your words here. No point in engaging with a poster who wants the hamas proposal backed by Iran to be given air time.

(Yet again a 2 state with moderates is different)

This is where you said it and suggested it as if a good thing 🙄

You didn't say that.

Go read your own words.

But how does a moderate government get the chance to lead in the proposed Palestinian state? I think international presence in Gaza, the West Bank and East Jerusalem would be the only way to oust Hamas and allow moderates to step forward. Hamas have to step down after Oct 7th, that's clear. I also think international presence and support to build a contiguous, viable state is necessary and should consist of fair and law abiding countries. In this case, I don't think countries which have supplied arms to Israel or those which are undemocratic should be part of that solution, because they are respectively not neutral or not fair and law abiding. I wonder if such a set of countries could fulfill the goals of keeping peace, getting Hamas to step down, supporting moderates to take charge and uniting the fractured territories into a state.

I said hamas are open to a two state solution. I didn't say anything about me believing they should hold power. Go back and read my posts

Do you Honestly believe waving placards is going to dissuade Israel from ethnic cleansing?
The PLO was not a terrorist organisation, what happened to them? Israel had them replaced with Hamas because they browned a violent organisation would lower global political support for a treaty state solution. They were right.

Waving placards? Are you on glue? Or do you honestly think the best way Hamas could have advocated for a Palestinian state was to repeatly commit violent acts against civilians and shout about removing the 'zionist entity' from the map entirely?

Talking. Negotiating. Sticking with a peace process. That kind of stuff. Not murdering kids at a party.

Browned a violent organization? I literally can't understand you.

By the way you haven't actually answered one of my questions yet. Everytime I ask a question you ignore it and move onto your next Hamas soundbite. Let's see if you can manage one of the above. And not the glue one.