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LetThereBeLove · 2025-02-08T10:36:39+00:00

[[https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/02/08/israel-hamas-hostages-released-gaza-latest-news https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/02/08/israel-hamas-hostages-released-gaza-latest-news/]] The images speak for themselves

OpheliaWasntMad · 10/02/2025 19:22

Atangledweb · 10/02/2025 19:12

I imagine even when they (or if they ever finally) hand over the dead bodies of murdered hostages, there will be people making excuses for Hamas.

They have a brilliant PR machine although watching them strut about recently before their chanting, cheering supporters, may have made some of the useful idiots possibly question all of their claims (although some appear so brainwashed, I doubt it). Watching them parade starved hostages (whilst they are pretty fat), making them clutch certification for being a hostage, and listen to the crowds cheer as they speak of their dead relatives, it might make a few question how honest they actually are? 🙄

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It’s been unbearable to see.
But there are still plenty of posters on here who either go silent or change the topic rather than acknowledge how vile and sadistic Hamas are.

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LetThereBeLove · 10/02/2025 19:27

OpheliaWasntMad · 10/02/2025 19:22

It’s been unbearable to see.
But there are still plenty of posters on here who either go silent or change the topic rather than acknowledge how vile and sadistic Hamas are.

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They so do. Why they can't start their own thread is beyond me.

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stomachamelon · 10/02/2025 19:41

@OpheliaWasntMad plenty of them. It has been brought to the attention of the CST by more than one poster and the powers that be.

ViolaPlains · 10/02/2025 19:59

https://www.thetimes.com/article/3d2a8be0-dd93-4268-ad20-8891bfffeec1?shareToken=139458599e9e98af4fd49fc285895218

Ilovemytulips · 10/02/2025 20:04

dairydebris · 10/02/2025 17:43

I think they are in a panic about Trump.

Not because they care about their people.

I think they are in a panic about losing their base, if this bat shit displacement happens.

F'ing Trump could he not have kept his lip buttoned for a few more weeks?

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I think you have a point, Trump's comments today that Palestinians will not only be removed but also will absolutely not be allowed back may have contributed in this break down.

headstone · 10/02/2025 20:19

Well the dilemma is, if all the hostages are released there is nothing to stop Netanyahu resuming the slaughter of the Palestinian population by means already highlighted by the ICC. Now there is also the risk of massive and likely violent ethnic cleansing.

EasternStandard · 10/02/2025 20:22

Ilovemytulips · 10/02/2025 17:46

This statement from Hamas was published on the news.

Over the past three weeks, the leadership of the resistance has monitored the enemy’s violations and its failure to comply with the terms of the agreement.
"These violations include delaying the return of displaced persons to northern Gaza, targeting them with shelling and gunfire in various areas of the Strip, and failing to allow the entry of humanitarian aid in all its agreed-upon forms.
"Meanwhile, the resistance has fully honoured its commitments.
"Accordingly, the release of the Zionist prisoners, which was scheduled for Saturday, February 15, 2025, will be postponed until further notice, pending the enemy’s compliance and the retroactive fulfillment of the past weeks’ obligations.
"We reaffirm our commitment to the terms of the agreement as long as the occupation adheres to them."

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The language here. Including prisoners not hostages

Heartbreaking

Fifiworks · 10/02/2025 20:23

Give me an example of what you think is “excusing Hamas” is ? It seems be that people who are saying Ordinary Palestinians are suffering and deserve justice . And that’s excusing Hamas? Any empathy towards Palestinians immediately dismissed as anti semitism.

@ArtTheClown do you think unarmed people should be shot on sight if they are near the border?

ArtTheClown · 10/02/2025 20:25

do you think unarmed people should be shot on sight if they are near the border?

I think this is a trick question.

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wordsworthundercover · 10/02/2025 21:16

The opposition party seemed angry with Netanyahu in the Knesset. They were shouting that he is risking the hostages, (this clip of the session was on C4.) Does anyone know why they think this? Also, why are the military veterans saying the government is intentionally sabotaging the ceasefire? There seems to be loud objections in Israel to the way the government is acting. Meanwhile, Netanyahu was speaking about Trump's plan as if he really thinks it can happen.

stomachamelon · 10/02/2025 21:30

@GouacheEnthusiast your post is offensive and contains no actual proof or facts. 80% of all Israelis? Where is that figure? Polled when? By whom?

You have no idea if you think there is no appetite for peace after October 7th and once again this is another concerted effort to derail a thread about the hostages.

How much time do you spend in Israel? To be able to speak with such authority and wisdom? Don't worry I will wait.....

EasterIssland · 10/02/2025 21:34

stomachamelon · 10/02/2025 21:30

@GouacheEnthusiast your post is offensive and contains no actual proof or facts. 80% of all Israelis? Where is that figure? Polled when? By whom?

You have no idea if you think there is no appetite for peace after October 7th and once again this is another concerted effort to derail a thread about the hostages.

How much time do you spend in Israel? To be able to speak with such authority and wisdom? Don't worry I will wait.....

I believe @GouacheEnthusiast is talking about this
https://m.jpost.com/international/article-840500?dicbo=v2-5veituj

Approx. 80% of Israelis support Trump's plan to relocate Gazans - survey

Less than 15% of Israelis believe Trump's plan is "immoral," including 54% of Arab respondents and only 3% of Jewish israelis.

https://m.jpost.com/international/article-840500?dicbo=v2-5veituj

stomachamelon · 10/02/2025 21:49

The article is sensationalist at best and when read in any detail is broken down into actual detail. . No report on how many were asked? Asked when?

Surveys conducted in the 1990s and mid-2000s on the transfer of Palestinians from the West Bank generally found support levels of 40%–50% among Jewish Israelis.

Context is important.
We have seen more hostages sent home alive than we ever thought possible. There is still 73 people there 34 declared dead.
Hamas has not released names of those in the first hostage phase (as agreed)
They have not released the Bibas family.
They have not released who is dead or alive.
They have treated the releases like a circus.
The last hostages were clearly starved and emotionally tortured in public (and in front of a baying crowd)
They have refused to release Sasha Trouvanof (as he is reportedly too unwell) Not enough time between now and the sabbath to feed him up.

And you wonder why people may have a strong opinion after what has unfolded?

stomachamelon · 10/02/2025 21:50

The hostages are literally the only thing standing in the way of them getting their wishes.

It disgusts me people actually think like that.

EasterIssland · 10/02/2025 21:51

stomachamelon · 10/02/2025 21:49

The article is sensationalist at best and when read in any detail is broken down into actual detail. . No report on how many were asked? Asked when?

Surveys conducted in the 1990s and mid-2000s on the transfer of Palestinians from the West Bank generally found support levels of 40%–50% among Jewish Israelis.

Context is important.
We have seen more hostages sent home alive than we ever thought possible. There is still 73 people there 34 declared dead.
Hamas has not released names of those in the first hostage phase (as agreed)
They have not released the Bibas family.
They have not released who is dead or alive.
They have treated the releases like a circus.
The last hostages were clearly starved and emotionally tortured in public (and in front of a baying crowd)
They have refused to release Sasha Trouvanof (as he is reportedly too unwell) Not enough time between now and the sabbath to feed him up.

And you wonder why people may have a strong opinion after what has unfolded?

The article speaks about the poll done by this organisation
you might not agree with the organisation itself or the poll but I think your accusations to the other poster were a bit unfair as they didn’t made the number up but I suspect they were basing their comment on this poll

https://jppi.org.il/en/סקר-החברה-הישראלית-לחודש-פברואר-רוב-גד/

Majority of Israelis Support Trump’s Proposal to Relocate Gaza’s Population to Other Countries

Approximately seven out of ten Israelis support the idea that "Arabs from Gaza should relocate to another country." Most Jewish Israelis believe this is a "practical plan that should be pursued." Most Arab Israelis oppose Trump’s proposal.

https://jppi.org.il/en/%D7%A1%D7%A7%D7%A8-%D7%94%D7%97%D7%91%D7%A8%D7%94-%D7%94%D7%99%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%9C%D7%99%D7%AA-%D7%9C%D7%97%D7%95%D7%93%D7%A9-%D7%A4%D7%91%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%90%D7%A8-%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%91-%D7%92%D7%93

mouthpipette · 10/02/2025 22:02

@stomachamelon wrote
We have seen more hostages sent home alive than we ever thought possible.

No. Far more hostages could have been alive today if Netanyahu had chosen to negotiate their release, rather than follow the path that he did. There was a better way from October 7th onwards. That is yet another illustration of how he is an appalling politician and how Israel deserves better.

GouacheEnthusiast · 10/02/2025 22:13

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Ilovemytulips · 10/02/2025 22:19

There was a poster on this thread who openly said they support Trump's plan. I don't recall much push back on it.

Ilovemytulips · 10/02/2025 22:26

ArtTheClown · 10/02/2025 20:25

do you think unarmed people should be shot on sight if they are near the border?

I think this is a trick question.

Reading into it, the IDF said they fired 'warning shots' I thought they were normally fired upwards. How did warning shots kill three civilians?
Also they were in the IDF made buffer zone that didn't exist prior to the war. There's a real possibility that not all civilians were aware of where this zone starts and not to go there as many homes were once there.
Killing unarmed civilians for being in the wrong place is an extreme reaction.

GouacheEnthusiast · 10/02/2025 22:28

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Fifiworks · 10/02/2025 22:32

wordsworthundercover · 10/02/2025 21:16

The opposition party seemed angry with Netanyahu in the Knesset. They were shouting that he is risking the hostages, (this clip of the session was on C4.) Does anyone know why they think this? Also, why are the military veterans saying the government is intentionally sabotaging the ceasefire? There seems to be loud objections in Israel to the way the government is acting. Meanwhile, Netanyahu was speaking about Trump's plan as if he really thinks it can happen.

I’m only guessing it’s because he is clear (and was clear in that briefing with Trump) that he does not want the ceasefire to hold.

The timing of this talk will put the next stage of the hostage release at risk. I can only assume that he is keen to resume the war and he’s goading Hamas to break the ceasefire. Unfortunately throwing the remaining hostages under the bus while he is at it.

and the opposition do not agree with. They want to prioritise the hostages.

But that’s just my impression and I’m happy to be corrected by someone who knows more about Israeli politics.

wordsworthundercover · 10/02/2025 22:39

Thank you @Fifiworks But why didn't he and Trump keep quiet about this plan until they got the hostages back, I wonder.

Nevertrustacop · 10/02/2025 22:40

Hamas are too scared to release anymore hostages. People were disgusted by the state of the poor men released this week and rightly so. Any others that are still alive will be in an even worse state as they have clearly been releasing the most healthy first. I dread to think of the state of any that remain alive. Of which I honestly think there are precious few.
Better for Hamas to pretend they have hostages left to delay the inevitable destruction that will occur when Israel believe they are all released.
No way will they be allowed to rebuild in peace. Honestly cannot imagine anyway peace could be achieved with Hamas at the table anyway.

ArtTheClown · 10/02/2025 22:45

Killing unarmed civilians for being in the wrong place is an extreme reaction.

It is, but October 7 was an extreme event. They are clearly intent that no-one from the Gaza side is getting to have another go.

If the dead are innocent civilians, that is yet more deaths that can be directly blames on the actions of Hamas, and their civilian supporters, on that day.