American proposal to clear out Gaza

[Daftasabroom]

Trump is proposing to "clear out" Gaza.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/01/25/politics/trump-gaza-strip-jordan-egypt

So USA is actually proposing that the Gaza Strip should be cleared of Palestinians. 1.5 million people.

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/30-years-israel-jordan-relations

One thing that often is missing from these debates is that possibly half of Jordanians have Palestinian routes and many have Jordanian citizenship. Though the relationship between Jordan and Israel is far from perfect importantly they do not threaten each other miltiarily . There are many Jordanians that perhaps do not like Israel but they do see a peace dividend and there is a general interest in that state for economic advancement and stability. With global support what can't Jordan be persuaded to take more refugees from Gaza? It seems that over time Palestianins have retained a culture but also have an InpuT into a state and this to my mind seems a better fate for the region.

Sure. I've actually the luxury of plenty of free time to read and although I really try to read neutral sources I'm happy to take a recommendation if you have one?

And?? They might have relatives in Jordan but that’s not their home.
half of the Israelis have European roots, should they go back to Europe as well or is it only Palestinians which is ok to leave their homes ?

I can’t believe you continue justifying ethnic cleansing. (And that mhnq) is allowing it

Agree @EasterIssland it is shockingly how ethnic cleansing is being dressed up as doing the Palestinians a favour.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-97c21e2d-3d57-40bb-b9f6-bd56d901c130

Yes . I do have close links to the north .
But Ive never supported innocent people being targeted and harmed by terrorists.
Not sure why anyone would find that surprising.

I don’t think im the one who is being simplistic.

I don’t believe the answer to injustice is to target and kill innocent victims .

Yes
But acts in self defence ( war ) are of a different nature to terrorist acts .
But it’s never ok if innocent people are deliberately targeted.

I’m pretty disgusted by the posters who appear to be suggesting that coming from the north of Ireland should make you a terrorist sympathiser.

Agreed. Pretty outrageous, and disturbing when you think of the terror the republican and unionist terrorists caused in their own communities as well as everyone else.

Re the north of Ireland
I know how difficult it was to dissent in any way when terrorist groups terrorised their own communities and targeted their own people if they were not seen as supportive.
This is why I have great sympathy with Gazans who might loathe Hamas but are not free to voice their views.

I agree with you

The issue I see is that the lines are being blurred in this conflict

A ten year old boy was fatally shot in the abdomen by IDF soldiers in the West Bank ten days ago. The solider then held up the ambulance and said to the childs father "God Willing your son will die".

Is that an act of self defense in war?

Is an act of aggression in reprisal to that self defense or terrorism?

And why its so disgusting that there isnt more of a push to free Palestinians from Hamas. Thats what a pro-Palestinian Solidarity Campaign should be about. Instead, while Oct 7 was ongoing they organised an anti-Israel march.

That sounds like a war crime / an atrocity.
Sadly they happen in all wars. You will have some deeply nasty individuals in any army who will misuse their power.
I hope they are all brought to account. But I know it’s unlikely

This always amazes me too. The most Pro Palestinian stance I can think of is to be anti Hamas. They've bought nothing but sorrow and destruction.

It seems however on here that Pro Palestine is actually more hatred of Israel than anything else. My mind is boggled every day.

You have your own understanding of what’s happened in Gaza. That’s how you justify the violence. Thousands of children dead and maimed? - Human shields. A population purposely starved? - But Hamas. The place completely flattened and made unliveable? Tunnels. Children shot in the head by snipers? Sad once offs

You don’t see the horror of it. “Self defence” using all that military right against a stateless people with no proper government or military. I’m sure your neither an idiot or stupid.

I don’t think it’s ok for innocent people to be targeted either but I do understand how ordinary people support it.

Traumatised people who have lost everything and whose feelings have been numbed by their loss do turn to terrorist organisations . I agree with you there.
Ironically those terrorists don’t care about them or their trauma - instead they knowingly contribute to it.

I completely agree with you there @OpheliaWasntMad

It's just as we have seen there is so many incidents like this and there hasn't been those awful individuals reprimanded.

It could be argued that this desperation is leading to people taking the situation into their own hands and groups like Hamas are gaining support as the only way to stand up to them.

Then Hamas commits the most evil of crimes, the bad eggs in the IDF retaliate and the cycle continues.

This is how I would argue the lines are blurred in this conflict.

I think pp should be mindful of how much support you can post for terrorists in the UK

It is about having power. Nothing more and nothing less. That is why Iran arms terrorists throughout the Middle East. That and their absolute hatred of Jewish people in Israel.

Mine too.

@mids2019

"One thing that often is missing from these debates is that possibly half of Jordanians have Palestinian routes and many have Jordanian citizenship. Though the relationship between Jordan and Israel is far from perfect importantly they do not threaten each other miltiarily . There are many Jordanians that perhaps do not like Israel but they do see a peace dividend and there is a general interest in that state for economic advancement and stability. With global support what can't Jordan be persuaded to take more refugees from Gaza? It seems that over time Palestianins have retained a culture but also have an InpuT into a state and this to my mind seems a better fate for the region."

Firstly the most important principle is that any movement of Palestinian people out of Gaza and into other countries either on a temporary or permanent basis must absolutely only be done on a voluntary basis. I can see the logic that some Palestinian may wish to move to another country either permanently given the level of destruction or temporarily whilst reconstruction occurs.

Secondly I would very strongly disagree that either Jordan or Egypt (especially Jordan) should host such refugees either temporarily or permanently. The last time Jordan offered sanctuary to Palestinian refugees their hospitality was repaid by the Palestinians attempting a coup and a take over of Jordan. Any repeat of taking in Palestinian refugees would also see Jordan unknowingly taking in hardened radicals that would seek to destabilise (with Iranian help) what is a country that despite a lack of natural resources (and in large part thanks to the Jordanian monarchy) has managed to avoid the turmoil and civil wars that had plagued neighbouring countries.

Given the strong level of support for the Palestinian cause in Ireland I would be interested to see what the views of Irish people are on offering either temporary or permanent sanctuary to Palestinian (importantly on a voluntary basis).

Not sure why someone reported my post. It's common knowledge that in many communities in the north there was support for paramilitaries or at least an understanding for their cause. And that continues to this day even though support for peace is almost universal.

I think you're misunderstanding the point.