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Conflict in the Middle East

What would the 'support for Israel' equivalent of wearing a Keffiyeh be?

85 replies

Oodiks · 21/01/2025 19:35

Although the Keffiyeh is a traditional Bedouin headdress it now largely indicates support for Palestine. I've noticed women wearing them in Zoom meetings and would like to find a way to reciprocate with my own clothing statement.

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Whatsinanamehey · 22/01/2025 19:57

Oodiks · 22/01/2025 19:46

I don't feel any hate towards people wearing the Keffiyeh, but I don't think it's appropriate in a work setting and would like to have some way to respond in kind.

After this thread I think the yellow ribbon is probably the way to go, but I'd honestly rather people left their politics at home when they came to work.

If you don't feel it's appropriate in a work setting then fair enough. My response was to the poster who was demonising those wearing it in a public setting.

Whatsinanamehey · 22/01/2025 19:59

Inauthentic · 22/01/2025 19:52

Are your colleagues aware that you are Jewish?

It wasn’t until I read posts on Mumsnet that I realised how offensive the keffiyeh can be to Jewish people. I now understand that it can be perceived as antisemitic and as a personal attack on all Jewish people - although it's often not the case at all.

I have only just heard such strong opinions like the one expressed today in regards to wearing it in a public setting, from a very extremist view point on social media. I tend to avoid such accounts/people.

Thunderpants88 · 22/01/2025 20:00

I’m sick and tired of any of this entering the workplace. I don’t care what your stupid pronouns of made up gender identity are. I don’t care what your religion is. I don’t can’t what political party you support. This should ALL be left at the door at work. And I will NOT be bullied by any “woke brigade” into putting ANY pronouns in my work email or signature. It is pathetic and screams “I’m a sheep”

Whatsinanamehey · 22/01/2025 20:02

Whatsinanamehey · 22/01/2025 19:59

I have only just heard such strong opinions like the one expressed today in regards to wearing it in a public setting, from a very extremist view point on social media. I tend to avoid such accounts/people.

Like the head of the ADL, who made an extremely offensive comparison of the keffiyah with a swastika whilst simultaneously excusing Musk's Nazi salute. So some people clearly pick and choose what they think is anti-semitic/offensive.

Oodiks · 22/01/2025 20:18

Inauthentic · 22/01/2025 19:52

Are your colleagues aware that you are Jewish?

It wasn’t until I read posts on Mumsnet that I realised how offensive the keffiyeh can be to Jewish people. I now understand that it can be perceived as antisemitic and as a personal attack on all Jewish people - although it's often not the case at all.

I’m not Jewish, so no.
Do you think only Jews support Israel?

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DoIEver · 22/01/2025 20:21

Thunderpants88 · 22/01/2025 20:00

I’m sick and tired of any of this entering the workplace. I don’t care what your stupid pronouns of made up gender identity are. I don’t care what your religion is. I don’t can’t what political party you support. This should ALL be left at the door at work. And I will NOT be bullied by any “woke brigade” into putting ANY pronouns in my work email or signature. It is pathetic and screams “I’m a sheep”

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Is there nothing the people won't shoehorn "gender idiology" into??

GirlWearsRed · 22/01/2025 20:30

It's not "antisemetic" or against all Jewish people. It's worn in solidarity with the people in Palestine. Plenty of Jewish people also support Palestine.

If anything its "anti-zionist" which is a movement, not a race nor a religion. However, those like OP would have you believe its antisemetic, just as they would have you labelled as an antisemite for merely breathing if you choose to disagree with Israel.

Inauthentic · 22/01/2025 20:36

Oodiks · 22/01/2025 20:18

I’m not Jewish, so no.
Do you think only Jews support Israel?

I am sorry for making an assumption about you. Of course, support for Israel comes from people of diverse backgrounds.

Oodiks · 22/01/2025 20:38

GirlWearsRed · 22/01/2025 20:30

It's not "antisemetic" or against all Jewish people. It's worn in solidarity with the people in Palestine. Plenty of Jewish people also support Palestine.

If anything its "anti-zionist" which is a movement, not a race nor a religion. However, those like OP would have you believe its antisemetic, just as they would have you labelled as an antisemite for merely breathing if you choose to disagree with Israel.

Excuse me? I’m just asking what a person would wear to indicate support for Israel. I haven’t brought up antisemitism in this thread.

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Oodiks · 22/01/2025 20:38

Inauthentic · 22/01/2025 20:36

I am sorry for making an assumption about you. Of course, support for Israel comes from people of diverse backgrounds.

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Thank you.

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Through · 22/01/2025 21:14

GirlWearsRed · 22/01/2025 20:30

It's not "antisemetic" or against all Jewish people. It's worn in solidarity with the people in Palestine. Plenty of Jewish people also support Palestine.

If anything its "anti-zionist" which is a movement, not a race nor a religion. However, those like OP would have you believe its antisemetic, just as they would have you labelled as an antisemite for merely breathing if you choose to disagree with Israel.

In my opinion ‘anti-Zionism’ is anti-Semitic. I can’t really see how denying a people the right to self-determination could be anything other than racism.

Comedycook · 22/01/2025 21:18

just as they would have you labelled as an antisemite for merely breathing if you choose to disagree with Israel

Yawn...stop talking nonsense

Oodiks · 22/01/2025 21:26

Through · 22/01/2025 21:14

In my opinion ‘anti-Zionism’ is anti-Semitic. I can’t really see how denying a people the right to self-determination could be anything other than racism.

I think it is theoretically possible to be anti-Zionist without being antisemitic, but it's rarely achieved.

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hangingonfordearlife1 · 22/01/2025 21:28

sorry but wearing a star of david is support for jews not israel. The two are not the same. Many Jews don't support israel. sickening that anyone would support a state that has committed genocide

Oodiks · 22/01/2025 21:33

hangingonfordearlife1 · 22/01/2025 21:28

sorry but wearing a star of david is support for jews not israel. The two are not the same. Many Jews don't support israel. sickening that anyone would support a state that has committed genocide

It's clear that those who support Israel deny these accusations of genocide. I may not agree with all of the current administration's actions, but I do not agree that they amount to genocide.

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Finnyhaddock · 22/01/2025 21:36

I think support for Israel should be shown, if that's what you want in the form of the flag.
I'm Jewish and very pro Israel. I'm off to google a Sudra as at 60 I ve never heard of one.
Yellow ribbon is, to me a nice way of reminding the kefir wearers that we want the hostages home.
Star of David is a Jewish symbol. Personally I find it odd when non Jews want to wear one but each to their own.

SharonEllis · 22/01/2025 21:36

hangingonfordearlife1 · 22/01/2025 21:28

sorry but wearing a star of david is support for jews not israel. The two are not the same. Many Jews don't support israel. sickening that anyone would support a state that has committed genocide

Not true. Its both. The historical & spiritual connection to Israel is important to the identity of most Jews even if they may or may not support the current government. Most Jews in this country identify as zionists, supporting the state of Israel, regardless of their views on the government.

SpunkyCritic · 23/01/2025 10:22

hangingonfordearlife1 · 22/01/2025 21:28

sorry but wearing a star of david is support for jews not israel. The two are not the same. Many Jews don't support israel. sickening that anyone would support a state that has committed genocide

Do you agree with every action of the UK government?

I find it utterly bizarre that people have such difficulty understanding how you can still be in favour of a self-determining safe country whilst also feeling sympathy for innocent lives lost.

SpunkyCritic · 23/01/2025 10:38

My message about it being unsuitable for work and intimidating has been deleted.

Was it because I mentioned culture appropriation?
Or how I said Arafat took it as part of his look in the 70s?
Or was it because I said in itself it isn't an Anti anything piece of clothing, it just so happens to be worn by lots of people screaming anti-semitic slogans on marches?

SharonEllis · 23/01/2025 10:42

SpunkyCritic · 23/01/2025 10:38

My message about it being unsuitable for work and intimidating has been deleted.

Was it because I mentioned culture appropriation?
Or how I said Arafat took it as part of his look in the 70s?
Or was it because I said in itself it isn't an Anti anything piece of clothing, it just so happens to be worn by lots of people screaming anti-semitic slogans on marches?

All of which is true?!

Kneidlach · 23/01/2025 11:01

In my opinion ‘anti-Zionism’ is anti-Semitic. I can’t really see how denying a people the right to self-determination could be anything other than racism.

This is the heart of the issue for me. We don’t even have words in the English language for someone who is anti the existence of Russia, the USA, Australia or wherever. Because we don’t need these words, as no one seriously believes these countries shouldn’t exist - people manage to disagree with aspects of their politics, the wars they are involved in, etc, without calling for the country to not exist.

It seems that Israel is the only country where it’s acceptable or legitimate to call for it’s destruction. I wonder what distinguishes Israel from everywhere else…

SharonEllis · 23/01/2025 11:09

@Kneidlach perfectly put.

GirlWearsRed · 23/01/2025 12:22

Oodiks · 22/01/2025 20:38

Excuse me? I’m just asking what a person would wear to indicate support for Israel. I haven’t brought up antisemitism in this thread.

The poster I replied to, which was not you, indicated she did not know the Keffiyeh was an antisemetic symbol and offensive to Jews until she read posts indicating such on MN.

Which yes, include yours, as you are inferring the keffiyah is an offensive symbol which must be countered by your "token" symbol of support for Israel.

I am Jewish, I support Palestine, as do many, many, more of my reyacha. The Kefffiyah is not an antisemitic symbol, or an indicator of antisemitism in a person. For anyone to insinuate such is disingenuous and quite frankly I take offence that someone not even part of the religion somehow feels they can speak for all Jews.

"veahavta l'reyacha kamocha" as they say.

Enjoy using my religion as your opportunity to virtue signal. I won't be adding anymore to this quite frankly ridiculous conversation if you can call it that.

Whatsinanamehey · 23/01/2025 12:57

The Kefffiyah is not an antisemitic symbol, or an indicator of antisemitism in a person.

Thank you for this.

EllaDisenchanted · 23/01/2025 14:07

GirlWearsRed · 23/01/2025 12:22

The poster I replied to, which was not you, indicated she did not know the Keffiyeh was an antisemetic symbol and offensive to Jews until she read posts indicating such on MN.

Which yes, include yours, as you are inferring the keffiyah is an offensive symbol which must be countered by your "token" symbol of support for Israel.

I am Jewish, I support Palestine, as do many, many, more of my reyacha. The Kefffiyah is not an antisemitic symbol, or an indicator of antisemitism in a person. For anyone to insinuate such is disingenuous and quite frankly I take offence that someone not even part of the religion somehow feels they can speak for all Jews.

"veahavta l'reyacha kamocha" as they say.

Enjoy using my religion as your opportunity to virtue signal. I won't be adding anymore to this quite frankly ridiculous conversation if you can call it that.

I wouldn’t say the keffiyeh is antisemitic or offensive, but as some antisemitic people have committed pretty violent and aggressive acts while hiding behind a keffiyeh over the last 15 months, as a Jewish person I would likely be wary when meeting someone wearing one. I don’t think it should be labeled as antisemitic or offensive, but personally my instinctive reaction would likely be to hide my Jewish identity if I met someone wearing one.

But what on earth do you mean by “my reyacha”? That literally doesn’t make sense and isn’t something Jewish (or Israeli) people say.