Israel has broken the ceasefire

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Are we surprised? I mean this happened multiple times last time. I do wonder if the media will report.
www.instagram.com/reel/DFDxfEgtefk/?igsh=MWFkcGtsdGJjaGxxOA==

Sorry for caring about the killing of kids and for wanting traumatised people for to feel safe in a ceasefire. I didn't realise that was so controversial Sharon.

So it seems there has been more extremist settler attacks in the West Bank, emboldened by Trumps inauguration. 8 killed, all enabled and supported by the IDF.

www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jan/21/israeli-security-forces-launch-operation-in-west-bank-city-of-jenin

Sorry is this a joke?

Are you serious??

You are completely missing the point. You can't just make up the terms of a ceasefire and then try and emotionally manipulate people because you've been called out. Its a matter of facts and reality. That doesn't stop anyone caring about someone being killed, you just cant twist tnat into being a breach of the ceasefire just because you want it to be.

Exactly !!!

I posted all the time on instragram

I shared videos from journalists on the ground and my Jewish friends now no longer speak to me

They are brainwashed

These poor innocent people I can not believe what has happened in Gaza

And I am not anti semetic to say this

Facts and reality? Which ones of those are we working with tonight? The where Gaza isn't under occupation and there is no apartheid in the West bank? Or the one Israel draws out in animations to justify bombing hospitals? It gets really confusing around here sometimes.

Of course there has been more attacks in the West Bank as well. Very sad and under reported

No, the thread is about whether Israel has broken the ceasefire, so the facts relate to the definition of a ceasefire and the definition of breaking a ceasefire. The WB was not included in the ceasefire agreement.

Oh please, no ceasefire ever is going to have a clause saying, we the undersigned agree to cease fire except for when our snipers feel like doing target practice on children. This isn’t having a go at Israel, it’s 100% clear that shooting children when you’ve agreed to a ceasefire is going to be a violation/breaking of whatever ceasefire agreement is in place. And actually, international monitors CAN also decide when a ceasefire has been broken. It’s not only up to the parties that have signed it.

The video of the child shot is from Gaza, not the WB.
It’s been verified by Sky (US intelligence) and Al Jazeera’s fact checking unit.

Personally I think its not that the parties in charge don't believe that Israel haven't broken the ceasefire by shooting a child dead it's that if the ceasefire doesn't hold then Israel will kill on average 67 children each and every day. Do you rock the boat and say something and accept that if the ceasefire breaks down then the mass killings will start again? Or do you accept that Israel are going to shoot people here and there to maintain a level of fear and control over Palestinians but that is better than the alternative?

Like @SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice nobody truly believes executing children is ok during a ceasefire, you know that, I know that, the dogs in the street know that. But some people, for political reasons or perhaps because although they know executing children at any time but especially during a ceasefire is wrong they just don't really care, will pretend that it's just fine.

I'm just sad that even in a ceasefire Palestinians can't feel safe, I suppose it's just like life preconflict for them really isn't it except this time they are doing it with no homes, no schools, no healthcare and sadly for some no family.

The minor violations are a pattern of provocation by IDF.

They just did this to Lebanon. Hezbollah has restrained from retaliating to what were over 500 ceasefire violations and counting by IDF. They’re being logged and legal action is being filed by Lebanon against Israel.

But the impunity Israel has enjoyed means they can cut and paste this to Gaza.

Gaza is 90% levelled anyway, this is good time for them to move troops to the West Bank. The comments by Trump and his UN ambassador imply that the Gaza “temporary pause” (as the ceasefire is being reported in US media), was bought from Netanyahu by promising him US support to annex the West Bank.

If we want the Palestinians to get any justice, Europe is going to have to stand up to the US.

I admire your tenacity.

SharonEllis · Yesterday 18:03
Its not up to randoms on the internet to decide that a ceasefire has been broken. Thats not how it works.

By SharonEllis·
04/05/2024 18:24
…. and of course October7th was Hamas breaking a ceasefire, which seems to be repeatedly forgotten.

By SharonEllis·
18/09/2024 12:17
The only people who had broken a ceasefire were Hamas. This is outrageous revisionism.

By SharonEllis·
09/11/2023 11:34
I refer you back to the actions of Hamas who broke the previous ceasefire with their attack and declaration of war on 7 October.

There was actually no ceasefire in place prior to October 7th, which just goes to show that you were right. Randoms on the internet shouldn't pronounce on such matters.

There was a ceasefire/truce agreed in May 2023, Israel and Palestinian Islamic Jihad agree Gaza truce | Reuters
So, maybe you're right about randoms on the internets.

I suppose it depends on one's definition of breaking a ceasefire, this had been happening just prior to Oct 7th 2023.

8 May 2023
Airstrikes on the family homes of Palestinian Islamic Jihad members in the Gaza Strip killed 13 people, three alleged militants, and 10 civilian family members.[37] reports on the total number of dead ranged from 12 to 15.[38][39] The dead included 4 women and four children.[40] Israel described the militant members of the targeted families as "kingpin terrorist".[37] They were in response to fire from Islamic Jihad, that was in turn in response to the death in Israeli custody of a member of their political wing, Khader Adnan.[38] Israel claimed two of the men, Jihad Ghannam and Tareq Izzeldeen were responsible for attacks in the West Bank.[41] There has also been recent rocker fire from Gaza.[42]
22 to 24 September 2023
There were three days of Israeli bombing of the Gaza Strip in late September 2023.[43] Dozens of people were wounded on the first day.[44] Earlier that week Israeli forces shot protestors at the border, as they threw explosives at Israeli posts.[45]

Sorry about all the formatting, but you get the gist, I hope.

Now do number of rockets fired into Israel in that time period.

Just scroll down to May:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel_in_2023

Now do number of rockets fired into Israel in that time period.

Probably hundreds, doing relatively little damage, but causing a great deal of annoyance and expense for Israel and even more annoyance at the expense itself. They were all part of the continuous aggravation on both parts. There was no effective ceasefire in place. It was all part of the miserable situation that had been festering since ........... well, you put your date on it..... I know mine.

I'm flattered you took so much trouble. You went through my posts back to May last year!! Wow.

Anyway, there was a ceasefire on 6 October. Its not me saying its just a fact. Trying to make out that people on this thread, who are not signatories to the deal, can decide whether the cessefire is broken really is the silliest thing yet.

Israel is entitled to protect its own security at any time. Attacking terrorists in limited operations is not an all out war. Nobody said there was complete peace before 7 October.

Since September 2000, Palestinian terrorists attacks have killed at least 1,489 Israeli civilians not counting the 1000+ killed on 7 October or police or soldiers. It includes older people & children.
Hundreds more have been wounded.
these attacks were bombings, stabbings, car rammings and people killed by rocket fire. The latter would be much higher if it wasnt for the iron dome.
I think its a bit more than an annoyance. The list here gives names, ages and the circumstances of their deaths. www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/comprehensive-listing-of-terrorism-victims-in-israel

Since 2008

Fatalities in Gaza 5k
fatalities in wb 1.8k
Israeli fatalities 350. I guess this doesn’t take into account those killed by Palestinian terrorists which I assume is your 1.5k. So around 1.8k

palestinian injuries 160k
israeli 6k

https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties

@SharonEllis
I think its a bit more than an annoyance. The list here gives names, ages and the circumstances of their deaths. www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/comprehensive-listing-of-terrorism-victims-in-israel

Again your own petard has lifted you high. Look at that data and see that fatalities and injuries from rockets were relatively insignificant compared to the far more viscous, barbaric and inhumane campaign of suicide bombings that was regularly causing death and mayhem over a decade between around 1996 and 2007. The suicide bombings were, by far, the main concern for Israel.

Why that campaign of suicide bombing stopped, I don't know. Israel claims it is because of increased and effective control of its borders, Hamas claims that it was losing them international sympathy and was not achieving its desired goal.