Hezbollah supporters

[OctoberOctopus]

You hear posters say that the population of a country doesn't necessarily support the terrorist groups. They are not involved etc. Seems an incorrect statement.

Then you see a ceasefire between Hezbollah and Israel. Hundreds and hundreds of people retuning to homes waving Hezbollah flags claiming victory over Israel and victory for the resistance. They haven't suddenly decided to support terrorists, they did all along.

Israel were at war with Hamas. Hezbollah just after the hamas attack of October 7th launched missiles into Israel to support hamas. One terrorist organisation supporting another whilst the people support them.

Over a year later finally a ceasefire. So the people of Lebanon, a country not occupied support their terrorist organisation Hezbollah with their 'resistance'. They are cheering a victory. Really deluded people. How can there be peace whilst they support terrorists. Their own government don't appear to run the show there and until Israel hit the Hezbollah leadership were weak with Hezbollah doing what they want.

Makes me realise more why many support Israel against people that cheer on terrorists.

Statements from innocent Lebanese include

"Victory for Hezbollah ' they've not been defeated.

Waving Hezbollah flags in nearly all cars.

Praise for the martyr Harallah.. or whatever he was called. The leader.

I don't like radical Israeli settlers and I also don't like terrorist supporters. If feels very mediaeval watching them cheer and flag wave terrorists. Maybe if both sides got rid of the radicals and the terrorists there could be peace but watching that I doubt it. It'll be temporary. The mindset hasn't changed.

If Hezbollah hadn't joined in with hamas they wouldn't have had to leave that area of Lebanon.

Poor kids growing up with the hatred.

You're not wrong.

Indeed.

Now the Hezbollah supporters can return to their homes and the Israelis that lived in Northern Israel to their homes.

The whole mindset needs a change to move forward though. Imagine if Germans and Japanese and others at the end of the second world war continued with the ongoing hatred. The losses for Germany and Japan were huge, however they decided on a better way and both countries have prospered, it would be very different if they continued with hatred towards the 'winners' of the war. No one really wins a war unless peace follows

It's good to see the Israeli perspectives on the other hezbollah thread.

I think it is a lot more complicated than supporting terrorists' and I won't pretend to understand. I assume what you saw on TV was yes support for Hezbollah but who else is there for them to support? Hezbollah clearly have a hold on some of the population. Over 3000 innocent Lebanese civilians have been killed since October and I am sure there is a huge relief that there has been a ceasefire, it is simplistic to view it as a Hezbollah victory obviously but I guess it is a show of strength against their "enemy" who has just killed so many of them and destroyed so many homes. It is also very hard to know how much actual support there is for Hezbollah from pictures of waving flags on a tv screen. That is not an accurate reflection on everyone's views.

I also think it is sad to see the support for the Netanyahu government, how can there be peace when there is support for extremist right wing war criminals. Something has to change on both sides for peace to be achieved

Just to clarify, the more than 3,000 death toll in Lebanon is not ‘innocent Lebanese civilians’. It no doubt includes them (unfortunately), but these figures specifically do not state how many are Hizbollah members and fighters.

Israel claims that they have killed "hundreds" of Hezbollah fighters.

Minimize Lebanese civilian deaths all you want, why don't you?

BTW Israeli civilian deaths in the current conflict with Hezbollah are 49.

Maybe the reason there are a lot less civilians dead in Israel is the importance given to defence. Let's face it, hezbollah have poked Israel with thousands of rockets and missiles for such a long time. The taking out of the hezbollah leadership meant they have been reduced considerably. I hope the actual government make plans to run Lebanon rather than a proxy terrorist organisation of Iranian backing.

The iron dome is there due to the continuous onslaught of rockets, missiles from various terrorist groups. It shows Israel wants to protect its citizens.

I wasn’t minimising civilian deaths in the slightest, simply pointing out a factual inaccuracy.

…and now another - the IDF estimates that it has killed many more than ‘hundreds’ of Hizbollah fighters. See below. Before you misquote me as saying that all of the reported deaths are non-civilian, note that it is quite widely assumed that the number of deaths released by Lebanon does not count or include all Hizbollah deaths as they are not open about this information.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-estimates-it-killed-some-3500-hezbollah-operatives-during-conflict/

Finally, as noted above, the disparity is explained in no small part by the difference in defences.

They estimate they killed 3,500 Hezbollah operatives? The death toll is s 3,700 so 200 innocent civilians? Pull the other one it's got bells on.

The disparity is not just explained by defence but also by size of bombs and where was targeted such as apartment blocks in Beruit city centre.

It shows Israel wants to protect its citizens.

I always find this a weird argument, yes Israel want to protect its citizens and benefit hugely from the iron dome but the lack of defence in other countries doesn't give them the right to target civilians there or excuse the civilian death tolls their bombings cause. Civilian life should be protected whether there is robust defence or not.

I always find this a weird point to make also. Not every country gets billions from the US to fund these high tech protections. When the IDF are bombing civilian apartment blocks they have to take some responsibility that they've caused the deaths and injuries, not blame any harm on the country not having a dome to protect them.

Wow, I literally explained this in my post - see above.

Instead of using the billions in aid that Hamas and Hezbollah receive (mainly from Iran) to buy rockets and arms, build underground tunnels to hide themselves in, etc. this money could have been used to protect Gazans and Lebanese But guess what? These terrorists don't consider the safety of any civilians at all.

Explain again because it's not clear to me what you mean. The article you linked states the IDF estimate they have killed 3,500 Hezbollah operatives, afaik the death toll total is about 3700

No they don't but again why does that excuse the IDF for the high civilian death tolls? If you bomb civilian areas you will kill civilians, it's not good enough to blame lack of defence in the country you're bombing

Who would have know that killing thousands of innocent civilians by bombs and missiles might have caused surviving citizens to hate you and start supporting your enemies?

The numbers from the Lebanese government are assumed not to include all Hizbollah losses as they are not an open organization and since the start of this conflict have not publicised losses.

So how do IDF know they killed 3500?

How would I know that? Intelligence, same way they know where the Hizbollah terrorists are… they estimated…

You referred to ‘hundreds’. The IDF estimates that it’s more. I’m not sure what can be gained by you and I getting into detail on this information. I was simply pointing out the inaccuracies in the statements above, which I don’t think you disagreed with.

I wish they had listened to their intelligence before 07/10 happened.

Whilst Iran do fund Hamas the amount is no where near the funding Israel receives from the US.

Are you implying the Israeli government or the IDF are "open"? Not a single one of their figures or narratives have been verified either. If they were telling the truth they'd be happy to show the world.