Ireland, is this true?

[SR71Blackbird]

Wasn’t sure where to ask this but there’s a piece in the JC about antisemitism in the Irish curriculum. It seems legit but incredulous:

https://www.thejc.com/news/world/jews-are-jesus-killers-and-israel-is-uniquely-aggressive-what-irish-pupils-are-taught-dhqmypgo

Can anyone here verify?

I don't think the fact that Israel isn't well liked means that they can't train their politicians in finesse and diplomacy.

Train politicians?? Israel isn't Soviet Union circa 1970. It's a democracy - how would this training take place? Are British politicians trained, or anyone else? Ukrainian politicians might reckon that diplomacy and finesse are a bit of a luxury given that they are fighting for their survival, and the Israelis generally think along similar lines.

The Israelis have just made a major contribution to keeping the world safe by destroying chemical and other non-conventional weapons in Syria and stopping them getting into the hands of worldwide jihadist groups. Not that they expect to be thanked, of course....

Its actually quite hilarious. I know lets get a consultant in to finesse our policians up a bit. Then those charming Iranians won't want to destroy us. It was all just a question of manners. FFS

You don't think that politicians have media training to help them to deliver their messages effectively?

I haven't heard Ukrainian politicians spouting genocidal rhetoric? Talking about completely destroying all of Russia and 'eliminating everything' there? Ukraine seem to be pretty well liked, they are not up in court on genocide charges, their politicians are not facing being arrested as war criminals. The two are on completely different levels when it comes to finesse and diplomacy.

At least someone find the fact that Israel are disliked by a large portion of the world hilarious. Israel clearly don't or they wouldn't be spending so much money on ad campaigns trying to get people to like them.

"Train politicians?? Israel isn't Soviet Union circa 1970."

No, Israel is not USRR circa 1970 but especially with Likud Party it is a reminiscent of ultra nationalists of 1930s, like Spain under Franco or Italy under Mussolini.

Ukraine's foreign policy towards Russia was on the offensive side rather than defensive and Ukrainians paid terribly with their lives. The war with Russia was not to their benefit. On the other hand, Israel is not fighting against an organized army like Ukraine and has many defense tools that Ukraine lacks such as Iron Dome.

To be brief, Ukrainians became human fodder in USA's proxy war against Russia, where Israel only fights for its own benefits with USA's backing. That also explains why Israel is not in NATO because they already have NATO protection without contributing to it.

@OchaLove
Ukraine's foreign policy towards Russia was on the offensive side?
How so?
(I think many Ukranians hold Russia responsible for the Holodomor, not many former Soviet block countries love Russia)

Then those charming Iranians won't want to destroy us.
Yeah because that is what we mean. We are talking about diplomacy when it comes to dealing with and communicating with the media and other international nations (not enemy states). Current Israeli spokespeople and politicians have zero skills in this

I know lets get a consultant in to finesse our policians up a bit.
Most countries do get consultants in to work with Politicians to be better at dealing with the media, better styled etc hardly new ideas here.

Of course it is not. It is not all talk it is action too, we haven't jumped on some recent bandwagon, Ireland has decades of supporting Palestinian people

Most countries do get consultants in to work with Politicians to be better at dealing with the media, better styled etc hardly new ideas here.

Most countries(?) "get" consultants. What are you talking about? the parties themselves, perhaps, but not countries.

Was Higgins using his diplomatic skills when he wrote to the Iranians expressing sympathy on the death of their violent, psychopathic and homophobic president, and then accused the Israelis of spying on him when the Iranian Embassy had actually published the text of the letter. Maybe a refund is in order for the "consultants"?

Russia is not the same country as USSR since 1991. I would guess two countries' hostility towards each other has historical reasons but I'm sure you are not seriously suggesting that the current war started because of Holodomor.

Here U Chicago professor John Mearsheimer explains back in 2015 the factors, the policies etc. that would eventually lead to Ukraine-Russia war. He also explains why Ukraine's policy towards Russia is on the offensive. The time proved him right:

The IRA links to the PLO are well documented. There are still many people in the republic who would like to see a United Island of Ireland and possibly in Ulster too, but currently a fragile and welcome peace prevails.

That two state solution is a compromise Israelis and the wider Arab/Islamic world will have to make for the same fragile peace to prevail in the Levant and Palestine. My impression is that the majority in Israel are in favour of this.

The perception of colonialism/influence of theocracy is common ground between the middle east and Eire/republicans, but cruel as the IRA were, they would never have carried out 7/10.

Israeli politicians openly speak genocidal rhetoric. They don't hold back in their contempt of all Palestinians including Palestinian children. Their politicians most certain could do with training. Anyone who followed the genocide case put forward by South Africa would have been both revolted and flabbergasted at the vile words uttered by Israeli politicians that openly incite genocide.

Then when any major threat occurred, like in WWII, it could proclaim its neutrality and rely on other countries.
Old chestnut-WW2
133,000 Irish fought
Want to bet I have more RAF medals in my attic than you?

It speaks to Ukrainian feelings toward Russia and resistance to it's influence and rule. As to it's beginnings, Ukraine is a resource rich land and Putin's Russia wants control of it, his expansionism and rule seems very reminiscent of the days before Gorbachev. I don't suppose the effects of Chernobyl were felt benignly by the Ukrainians either. I'll take the time to listen to your link at some point later today.

Kindatired - I'm not criticising Irish people, but the government. All credit to the those who stepped up to the plate and often gave their lives when their government pathetically failed to turn up (or had more sympathy with the other side).

Ukraines policy towards Russia was on the offensive side? Are you for real? The war is not to their benefit? Its very rarely to your benefit when a foeign power with expansionist ambitions invades you, but I hope you're not suggesting the Ukrainians should have just rolled over and let them in. Tbe US is not at fault here, except perhaps to have resisted the Russians more firmly sooner. Of course Ukraine holds Russia responsible for the Holodomor because the USSR was responsible for it.

Don’t want to derail - but many of the Irish who fought in WW2 distinguished themselves and punched far above their weight in terms of numbers
eg en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paddy_Finucane

I think it was more complicated than that. Ireland had just been through a civil war , the country was very poor , had a small population which was continually diminished by constant emigration and had only recently become independent.

Ireland did (quietly) help to support the allies in ways such as this

The weather reports taken in Mayo were critical in determining the date of the d day landings

“Despite years of planning, in the days leading up to the attack, the Allied invasion would depend on one crucial and uncontrollable factor - the weather.
Although separate observations were taken at various locations by Royal Air Force, Royal Navy, and the United States Army Air Force meteorologists, an accurate forecast from the Irish Meteorological Service, based on observations from Blacksod on the Mullet Peninsula would be the most important.”

https://www.irishcentral.com/roots/history/irish-lighthouse-d-day

Just wanted to correct the idea that Ireland was sympathetic to Nazi Germany ( although a minority may have been )

I think I have possibly found the most poorly researched article ever written on the topic.

blogs.timesofisrael.com/why-the-irish-hate-the-jews/

I think some other people in here would have done a better job to be honest. That's a dire article based on nothing.

Have they taken it down, the link isn't working? I found it very interesting given what I said yesterday about the prevalence of anti Christian attacks in Israel, it was fascinating that the blog writer focused so much on Christianity.

However poor they were, what harm could it have done to officially support the allies? And they could have joined NATO, and still could, as other previously neutral countries have. But they'd rather stand on the sidelines lecturing countries who are in the thick of things as to how they should behave.

In case anyone think human rights have anything to do with this, Varadkar sold the Taiwanese down the river earlier this year to cosy up to the Chinese, whose human tights record is shocking. And the Saudis backed Ireland's bid for a seat on the security council specifically because the Irish didn't lecture them on human rights. But heigh ho, with Israel it's different, and it's understandable that people speculate why.

@samG76

If Israel were a pretty irrelevant island with no hostile neighbours then it could virtue-signal, in the same way as Ireland

terrorism, violence and hate is in the living memory for many people in the island of Ireland. Even if many in the republic were not impacted directly by the violence, anyone over the age of 30 or so will remember military armed border into the north and the "special" queue with extra security checks on Irish people travelling from Britain to the republic to basically see if you were a terrorist.

The Good Friday agreement holds together an imperfect peace of 25 years. All the organisations that were involved in the troubles still exist in some shape or form. They did not disappear. So we always have the risk that it could kick off again.

Its interesting isn't it, in the UK we care so much about Israel's behaviour because they are our allies. We are not allies with China so we don't get so exercised about their human rights record and ongoing genocide. I think I've got that right. Ireland seems to take a different approach.i.e. they care about gaza purely for human rights reasons even though Ireland isn't an ally of Israel. I think, everyone finds a way to hold Israel to the highest standard and ignore other countries human rights record.