Ireland, is this true?

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Wasn’t sure where to ask this but there’s a piece in the JC about antisemitism in the Irish curriculum. It seems legit but incredulous:

https://www.thejc.com/news/world/jews-are-jesus-killers-and-israel-is-uniquely-aggressive-what-irish-pupils-are-taught-dhqmypgo

Can anyone here verify?

Some serious batshit replies on here

Let's call a spade a spade

Israel have blood all over their hands
They are responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent people

How can some of you talk such utter nonsense

You honestly must not have a clue about Irish history if you seriously ask "what harm it could have done". Let's set aside years of oppression, famine caused by Britain and civil war - officially aligining themselves with Britian as allies would in all likelihood (as is widely accepted in Irish history) have started a civil war in Ireland itself. What use would that have been to anyone.

All of this ignores the fact that there is a LOT of evidence that Ireland were a rather phoney neutral state and did indeed assist the allies in the war efforts. And as others have attempted to educate you - proportionately, Irish soldiers most certainly played a huge effort.

None of this has any impact on Ireland's criticism of Israel's treatment of Palestine and you'll find that this isn't a new thing for Irish people - we have resonated with the oppression of Palestinians for years, due to our own chequered history.

@peonym 👏👏👏👏👏

The IRA links to the PLO are well documented.
Why are you responding to my post about Irelands support to Palestinians with the IRA? Ireland are not the IRA they are an illegal terrorist organisation stop equating the two it's offensive

It really must be utter crap as they have taken it down now.

From reading around it turns out I wasn't the only person to catch the whiff of anti Christian bigotry, then there was the raft of factual errors and historical manipulation. It really was very offensive, it's hard to believe it was published in the newspaper that Israel isn't trying to close down.

@samG76

However poor they were, what harm could it have done to officially support the allies

In short; At the time, the UK were not our allies! Getting involved in the war was unpopular as it was seen as a British war.

Anyway it's not like Britain joined the war because of the treatment of Jewish people.

In short; At the time, the UK were not our allies!

Quite, and yet many Irish did fight alongside their "enemies" despite this

This argument is framed with the sole objective of making Israel the victim.

People focus on Israel primarily because of the unacceptable number of civilians that are killed.

People focus on Israel because the bombs and weapons used kill those civilians are made by us and paid for by us.

People focus on Israel because 1,700 Israelis = 46,000 Palestinians and that equation will never make sense.

People focus on Israel because what it is doing in Gaza is morally and ethically wrong and plain for all to see.

People focus on Israel because our government said “we hope you win”

they care about gaza purely for human rights reasons even though Ireland isn't an ally of Israel.

We're not? We are in the EU, I thought we were allies because of this.

Someone mentioned Saudi Arabia saying we don't lecture them on human rights. That wasn't the full statement by SA - they said - they disagree but they don't lecture. But it is true , Ireland has been shamefully gentle towards the human rights abuses of SA. Because there would be an economic cost to doing so. As a country we are completely reliant on international trade so we often seek to be everyone's friend giving gentle little references about human rights to countries like SA and the US in particular.

Ireland is far from perfect in this regard and it's certainly not some watch dog for human rights around the world. But This issue is popular, non controversial and it doesn't cost the economy to speak out about it.

It is popular because rightly or wrongly people in Ireland feel an affinity with Palestinians because of the occupation. We feel an empathy for them and we understand what happens when people draw borders on a map and leave the people to fright it out: It's always a hot topic. It's got nought to do with religion. It's not rooted in a hatred of Jewish people or the people of Israel.

"Moreover, Ireland is not isolated as regards the specific decisions it has taken on recognising Palestine or on intervening in the case before the International Court of Justice. What is distinctive, rather, is the Israeli Government’s decision to single out Ireland rather than, say, Spain or Norway. This was presumably because we are a relatively small country. We are not, of course, an easy target and are more than capable of standing up for our interests and values."

From the article I posted yesterday. The singling out of and bullyboy behaviour towards Ireland is notable. There are repeated attempts to make Ireland look like it's an outlier in it's positions and tarring of the country as an antisemitic place.
No doubt there are (shamefully) antisemitic people in Ireland, like there are in other countries, but it is not a generalisation that should be made.

Total derail but I've just noticed mn has added emojis to their reaction options.

@FancyRedRobin totally agree. The Isreali press has also started saying "Irelands antisemitic prime minister Simon Harris..." when quoting him. Thankfully the Irish media are not so petty as to say "Israelis war criminal prime minister Netanyahu..."

In all seriousness it is extremely juvenile and undiplomatic for a state to behave in that way. It is saying a lot more about them than Ireland

Please elaborate.

The French used to train their politicians in an institution called E.N.A, actually. until Macron decided to close it in 2021.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47991257
But we still have Science Po ( ranked 2nd in the world and 1st in Europe, which has trained ministers, prime ministers and presidents of many countries ( including France). So yes, you can train politicians and, frankly, you really should.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sciences_Po_people
The Israelis have just made a major contribution to keeping the world safe by destroying chemical and other non-conventional weapons in Syria and stopping them getting into the hands of worldwide jihadist groups. Not that they expect to be thanked, of course....
Good old Israel, the knight in a shiny armour, the saviour of the world. I thought I had heard it all...

Ah, yes - France - where openly racist National Rally won more votes than anyone else, and the complete contempt for politicians means the country has been paralysed for months. A truly marvellous example of how training politicians benefits a country

wed better learn from Israeli politicians who is doing the world a favour. We should demo for Netanyahu to be the person of the year instead of trump

This rhetoric is not new though.

"The method of collective punishment so far has proved effective." or "There is no more Palestine. Finished..." or " Take the American declaration of Independence. It contains no mention of territorial limits. We are not obliged to fix the limits of the State."
Moshe Dyan
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"I vow that if I was just an Israeli civilian and I met a Palestinian I would burn him and I would make him suffer before killing him."
Ariel Sharon

"I don't mind if after the job is done you put me in front of a Nuremberg Trial and then jail me for life. Hang me if you want, as a war criminal. What you don't understand is that the dirty work of Zionism is not finished yet, far from it."
Ariel Sharon

"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."
Ariel Sharon

"Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories."
Netanyahu

I could go on.

Tell me you don't understand how the French political system works, how the French vote tactically and a PR system work without telling me you don't understand.
The far right was defeated.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/bubble-bursts-frances-far-right-voters-bar-it-power-2024-07-07/
Meanwhile, in Israel, the far right is in power.
I know which country I would prefer to be a citizen of.
At least, Macron does not have an arrest warrant for war crimes and crimes against humanity against his name. Something I am elated about.

A really good article about Ireland from a serious and very well respected historian. www.thefp.com/p/the-deep-roots-of-irish-antisemitism?utm_campaign=posts-open-in-app&triedRedirect=true

And to those telling us there's no hostility to Jewish people in Ireland - listen to Jewish people It is not for you to tell Jewish people what antisemitism is. Its not for you to tell Jewish people that they are not in fact experiencing what they are telling you they are experiencing https://x.com/RachelMoiselle/status/1869314892508876964

And if you concede that there is serious antisemitism in Ireland (which Jewish people in Ireland are telling you) then it logically follows that that antisemitism will influence the debate on Israel.

closing the embassy , who is going to be mainly impacted by it? Shouldn’t Israel keep the embassy to support those citizens that are suffering from antisemitism ?

I don’t see how this will impact Ireland and its reputation at all but more how it’ll impact the Israeli citizens living in Ireland. And I saw this as someone who would be gutted if her embassy closed down in London and it’d cause a massive headache

I don’t think anyone is saying there is no antisemitism in Ireland. What they’re saying is that its not the only place there is antisemitism so why so fixed on Ireland. Also, I’d like to know what is considered to be antisemitism in Ireland : supporting Palestine or critizing
the Israeli government doesn’t meet the criteria for antisemitism

So, none of you are reading what I've posted.